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[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

"The Chinese came, and they stole all our gubbins!"

"We must tell the media! they will help us!"

OpenAI.... probably.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago
[–] mouserat@discuss.tchncs.de 159 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] leadore@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look at its widdle toes! 🥹

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

Those are clearly fiddle toes, in this case.

[–] PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Well I always thought I knew what the smallest violin looks like!

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

That's lovely.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago
[–] ODuffer@lemmy.world 110 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

Would you hug a face?

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago

Yes, but I don't have Nvidia hardware to run them

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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 192 points 2 days ago (26 children)

Welcome, new industry heads. That's how it works. China takes a car, picks it apart and builds a cheaper car. That's what they've been doing for decades now.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 93 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's par for the course, but it's hilarious that openai "we have to get copyrighted material for free because fuck you" is pulling that defense now.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago

We got angry when Japan did this in the 60s and 70s. I'm going to paste part of the opening from Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash."

Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it -- talking trade balances here -- once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they 're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here -- once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel -- once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity -- y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else

  • music
  • movies
  • microcode (software)
  • high-speed pizza delivery

The Deliverator used to make software. Still does, sometimes. But if life were a mellow elementary school run by well-meaning education Ph.D.s, the Deliverator ' s report card would say: "Hiro is so bright and creative but needs to work harder on his cooperation skills."

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

I'm kinda reminded of the tale of how the Zilog Z80 processor chip had dozens of little "tricks" built into it. It was being produced in Japan which at the time was famous for their chip production and for copying chip designs. Apparently their little tricks were baffling enough that it delayed the appearance of knock-offs chips by half a year.

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[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 day ago

Based coverage from 404.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 44 points 1 day ago
[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 139 points 2 days ago
[–] mEEGal@lemmy.world 100 points 2 days ago

There’s substantial evidence that what DeepSeek did here is they distilled the knowledge out of OpenAI’s models [...]

I will explain what this means in a moment, but first: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

LMFAOOO 😂😂

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 68 points 1 day ago

It sounds like they just followed the precedent set by American companies. Maybe don't steal data and your data won't get stolen?

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 89 points 2 days ago

Gonna cry, technofeudalist lord?

1000045471

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 2 days ago (6 children)
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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is there evidence that DeepSeek is an OpenAI distillate other than OpenAI and Co's protestations?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's literally impossible. I tried to explain it here: https://lemmy.world/comment/14763233

But the short version is OpenAI doesn't even offer access to the data you need for a "distillation," as the term is used in the LLM community.

Of course there's some OpenAI data in the base model, but that's partially because it's splattered all over the internet now.

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[–] hmmm@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago
[–] madjo@feddit.nl 14 points 1 day ago

Ironic and hypocritical

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

a) to expect China not to steal every piece of design they can lay their hands on is foolish and should be part of every tech companies contingency planning, and investor consideration b) given that deepseek seems to have condensed the processing, i can only imagine openai can now use their processes to make the high end chips work just that much more efficiently

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To expect any company to not steal is foolish. All development builds on previously proven ideas.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Does the OpenAI TOS even cover no-take-backsies ?

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Good, I hope this is how the AI industry dies.

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[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 11 points 1 day ago

Oh the irony 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 😂

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