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Speaking as a developer myself, it's likely not the devs' fault that Teams is as shit as it is. They are all intimately familiar with its shortcomings and are perfectly able and willing to fix them, but are prevented from doing so by management who insist that shovelling crapware down their customers' throats is far more important.
Honestly, what I find frustrating with Teams is that both MSN Messenger and Skype were right there. It's not even an issue of copyright or trademark as MS owns both. Even just lazily re-branding Skype would have been head-and-shoulders above what we have now.
Teams is the evolution of the excellent Microsoft Lync which then became the horrible Skype for Business which then was replaced by the superior Microsoft teams.
What is it people don't like about Teams? It's mostly about integration with SharePoint
It's that. It's been a hot minute, but (IIRC) for me it was the less-than-great UI/UX that really adds up to a high friction experience. Especially when compared with software like Slack or Discord.
Having talked to people who were in charge of making some strategic decisions regarding a business messaging application...
Slack/Discord is "too complex and confusing". Apparently the pile of unsorted chats, group chats, and meeting chats, are superior to Discord's threading model.
Also corpos literally do not notice that teams is slow as molasses which is a big part of the friction. You could show them a perfect demonstration that Teams' UI is so much slower to react to anything (nevermind load the actual resource) than the competition and that they often have a 1000+ms audio RTT in meetings (not a hyperbole) and the business people would be like "yeah, I guess? Who cares?"
Corporate types literally can't understand that bad audio and audio latency costs a huge percentage of revenue in lost productivity because everyone's constantly talking over each other and simultaneously being too afraid to speak because the audio delay makes it impossible to fit into a lull in the conversation and also everyone is in a competition for the tiniest shittiest mic with the worst noise canceling that somehow stacks on top of Teams' pretty bad noise cancelation such that their voice is being noise canceled and you're just left with like 1.2 kHz of actual range and somehow everyone seems fine to spend their entire day listening to that and aaaaaaaaa I have a headache and I want to die
Then after work you get on a discord call with the mates and everyone is crystal clear with no noticeable latency, even the students on a secondhand 30 € gaming headset.
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I too would be wary of anyone working at Microsoft (or Oracle, or Salesforce, or SoftTech, or Tata or a bank).
I guess that means they don't have an XBox or play a lot of PC games? Maybe they prefer Nintendo or PlayStation?
What a pile of garbage. That we rely on teams at my org causes me endless frustration.
We are using Zoom, not sure which is worst.
I've used Teams, Zoom, Google Meet. Teams is the worst.
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What else could he say to not be thrown out? Dude works at Microsoft
“I killed Clippy”?
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tbf though, which other Microsoft project could he have said that would not have gotten himself kicked out?
Clippy designer.
Winner here
Flight Simulator maybe. Age of Empires.. not sure how much they are tied into that anymore though
2nd place, bonus points because dad probably used to play those when he still had time for such things.
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The whole notion of LSP has been nice.
C# is a decent language. I'll stick with Java because the api ecosystem is so vast.
Mouse without borders is pretty rad
Teams is one of those things I don't understand why companies use. Just why
Because it's bundled in their office subscriptions
Microsoft bundles all of their software in a way that makes it much more expensive to pick and choose which software you want from Microsoft and which one you would want from someone else. It's a very similar strategy to that of Adobe.
Because they needed a way to attempt to micromanage during COVID, and to do it ASAP.
I recently realized bosses have an existential fear of their employees being able to be productive without them. It makes their job unnecessary.
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Bloated piece of shit. Can we just use Matrix?
Better him than whatever sewer dweller is responsible for Amazon chime.
I used Planner in the past. Its integration with teams makes a webcam pointed at a white board a lot better.
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