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[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

If I get to my dentist on time, he makes me wait 20 min.

If I get to my dentist 10 min late he refuses to see me.

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago

I've experienced this myself, and it is a double standard.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not giving both sides of an argument your platform to opine on if one of the sides is plainly bigoted and/or anti-scientific

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

"Joe Rogan presents both sides of the vaccine debate!"

Joe Rogan may have brought two different opinions; he did not bring on a proportional number representing the actual consensus.

Which would be like 99 vaccine scientists and infectious disease specialists for every loony.

[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 12 points 23 hours ago

i am not 100% confident but this question reminds me of the paradox of tolerance argument.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Exclusive spaces for women and minorities while requiring male spaces to accept women and minorities. Like women or black only colleges and associations.

Sorry fellow white dudes, we still have so many comparative advantages and there is too much systemic racism and misogyny left to address before a white or men only club is in any way comparable.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

Reverse discrimination is not an answer to the issue of discrimination - it is discrimination in itself.

Excluding any group of people is not only wrong in itself, but likely to drive a negative response from the people excluded, likely fueling movements against it - and against equality activists at large. You'll be seen as hypocrites at best, and along with you everyone who just genuinely wishes for people to become fully equal.

This is not the way.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Reverse discrimination isn't a thing. It is a good sign that the person using the term is a moron because as you noted, discrimination is just discrimination.

But minorities and women having their own spaces isn't discrimination. Women's sports leagues isn't discrimination. It is a response to being discriminated against for decades or centuries. So are black colleges, which were a response to being excluded from most universities. They exist because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to do those things because of the actual discrimination. It simply isn't the same thing at all because of the larger context.

On a side note, the whole transphobic 'no trans women in women's sports' bullshit is discrimination because it further excludes an even smaller portion of the population that is discriminated against even more than women.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It isn't an "answer" to anything, it is necessary for a feeling of safety and togetherness in certain vulnerable people at certain times. You must get past the fact that you weren't invited and accept that this is good for some of us. Give in a little, and take in so much more in the long run

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Hard to be an ally when you're excluded. Hard to even want to be an ally when you're told you're part of the problem.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You're not excluded, you're just not included. You're not meant to be part of everything in society, that doesn't make you an enemy. Try getting over it and being an ally regardless

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago

I'm doing my thing and preparing, Ive got a nice little circle around me. Unfortunately a lot of people are hung up on identity politics instead of actually organizing and putting in work.

I'm an accomplice, not an ally. Too bad too many people are stuck on themselves to figure it out.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Im a guy. Im excluded from mothers groups. Is that really a bad thing when I can’t offer the group anything as Im not a mother?

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I think you as a father could probably learn a lot from mothers, so yeah it's kind of fucked up to be excluded.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I have no kids. If the purpose of the mother’s group is for mothers to share their problems then I have nothing to offer.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Why assume you have something to offer them when the opposite is likely truer.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

I don’t think I have anything to offer which is why me not being included is fine. That’s the whole point.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No, that is a double-standard, it’s just a double-standard you’re arguing is justified.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 18 hours ago

it would be more of a double standard if the two groups were on equal footing, but they're not.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The definition of a double standard is that it's unjust. At least, in common English.

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[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

This actually is still helpful for us white dudes, if you meet another white guy that gets pissy about exclusive spaces you know that person isn’t worth talking to anymore!

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Add to this the previously white fictional characters being replaced with actors of color and I couldn't care less. The market will decide if it was a good idea with ratings. Sometimes it's a smashing success other times a complete disaster.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

My only argument against that stuff is make a whole new character or your just pandering disingenuously.

But for the most part I agree.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago

I remember seeing some neckbeard-ass post on Reddit when the live-action Little Mermaid trailer came out, saying how it wouldn't make sense for somebody living in that region of the ocean to have dark skin because of the longitude and depth of the water, etc...

Like... You're really trying to argue the scientific accuracy of... [checks notes] ... a fucking MERMAID? Spare everybody the mental gymnastics and just say you don't like black people.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Asking as a brown person, can you tell me what advantages white people are receiving that I'm not?

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I can tell cops to fuck themselves with zero fear of reprisal because I look and sound wealthy enough to sue.

edit: Statistically speaking as a white guy im ~50% less likely to be shot by police.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 3 points 16 hours ago

I don't know your situation, but I certainly can tell you that at least in the Western Hemisphere, in the aggregate descendants of indigenous people and slaves are overcoming systemic injustice that robbed their ancestors of economic advantages, dignity, and liberty, and often introduced intergenerational trauma as well. And I don't mean, like, in the past, redlining for example was legal within our parents lifetime and related forms of discrimination are still practiced today.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago

I scanned your comments and you're not totally off your rocker, so I'll not be as big of an ass as I usual am.

Your experience is an anecdote. The plural of anecdote is not "data".

The data shows that minorities are unfairly targeted by police. Arrested more, released more as innocent. Prosecuted more for the same rate of incidence.

The data shows that having an "ethnic" name gets fewer responses to an identical resume.

The data shows that for literal decades, some would say still, minorities couldn't get home loans in good areas with good schools.

What benefit do white people have? I have never, literally not once, thought or cared about my race. My privilege is getting to live without noticing my race in any meaningful context. That's why white people have to be "woken". We're comfortably asleep in our bubble, from birth.

If you don't see it, great! But that might say less about reality, and more about your ability to perceive it.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There are people out there that would not hire you based on the only thing I know about you. I've met enough of them that I have to assume there are more.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I can talk back to the police in a non-violent setting without getting shot.

As a white male, there is zero chance of deing discriminated against when applying for 95% of jobs.

I can walk into most buildings without being questioned. Nobody has ever told me that I don't belong somewhere because of who I am.

While whites that live in poverty can face some discrimination compared to middle class whites, $100 in clothing is enough to fit in most public spaces without drawing any attention. Minorities can't do that.

Those are the most obvious things, but they also mean that my economic and social standing basically went up my entire life by just being polite and working. That builds on itself, and while not all white men are successful. Being white isn't one of their hurdles.

All of those things are advantages compared to people who are not white males.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 20 points 1 day ago

Some people can be trusted with some responsibility, and others can't.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 3 points 21 hours ago

People often ask me how or why I work for a media company that works in front of recording footage if I have stage fright. One does not necessitate having to expect the other, which is good because there's very little I can do work-wise.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Four lefts aren't a right, but three lefts are.

[–] thirteene@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

How about 4 slight lefts?

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