What did you switch to?
this post was submitted on 27 Feb 2025
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Personal domain and an imap provider so that I can easily switch in the future if needed.
How are you going to do that? I'm curious because I want to do the same and have email clients on multiple devices.
Many bigger hosting providers also offer email hosting with IMAP access. I currently have a personal domain at a host that offers it, but my email is still hosted with a free Google domains account (itβs grandfathered in for life, but Iβm still finally planning to move it to my hosts service).
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How do y'all do your email and calendars? Those are the two things that aren't easy to replace from proton.
Mind, my email needs to be reliable for work reasons.
I've been using nextcloud for contacts, calendar, and files for many years
Will be easy for me to ditch proton if the bullshit escalates further
I'm onboarding onto Proton now (but WITH my own domain, so I'll never have to change e-mails again (well, unless I turn out to be trans later and change my name)). For mail I've heard of Tuta, I think that's the only serious alternative.
Ah. I tried tuta, back when I decided to go for proton instead. Their security requirements were more restrictive than I was able to allow for regular email use, although I don't remember the details of what they were, anymore.
Tuta for mail, self hosted calendar with Radicale
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Any good VPN other than Proton? Almost every one is going down the enshitification route and I'm looking for an alternative.
I've been happy with Mullvad. Good no-log policy, audited regularly, and their servers run on RAM. No port forwarding though, as others mentioned.
Mullvad, ivpn
I think the most common alternatives I see recommended are Mullvad and IVPN. Both have a great track record, but also both lack port forwarding if that is an essential feature for you.
I swear by AirVPN. Not the fastest or fanciest, but they've got port forwarding and are run by an activist org; I've got a lifetime membership IIRC
Be mindful that Italy passed a law forcing vpn's to block pirated content, and AirVPN is based in Italy.
Does this affect anyone outside of Italy though? When I recently signed up for it it had a huge warning saying they don't allow Italian residents to use them, nor do they host any Italian servers, I assume so they don't have to deal with this law at all
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PIA has been uneventful for a couple years...
PIA is notable for still having port forwarding; Something many other VPNs have ditched. So on that one point, theyβre better than others.
However, 4 or 5 years ago they were bought by a company (Kape Technology, formerly known as Crossrider) that has a history of stuffing adware into their programs. Like their business model was basically:
- Buy popular program
- Stuff it with adware
- Get short term profit off of existing user base
- Abandon program after users have fled
- Repeat
Since a VPN providerβs only real source of legitimacy is public trust, the Kape buyout had a lot of customers fleeing to alternatives like Proton. So far, the PIA app has been fine. But Kape could decide at any point to just pump it full of adware and run away with arms full of cash, like they have done in the past. Also, Kape is (or at least was, at the time of the buyout) headed by a known Israeli intelligence agent. So that was another big thing that sent customers scrambling to alternatives.
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I hear you. Last August I prepaid for two years and now I regret it. I'm just going to ride it out since I can't afford to switch.
Yeah same for me...
Iβm out of the loop. Whatβs happening with Proton?
They stopped their official Mastodon presence citing having not enough resources to maintain communities everywhere, which caused outrage among the Fediverse.
Previously, they vocally supported the actions of Trump administration on the matters of Internet privacy, which caused a massive backlash.
So, essentially, they have alienated a lot of userbase by making questionable moves.
I feel you're misrepresenting the second point.
Proton did not comment on Trump. Their CEO did. And specifically on liking a certain hire for a certain position because he thought that would be good for small business.
It was a garbage take for many reasons, and the community let that be known. For me that was that but people keep coming back to this as some sort of unforgivable transgression.
Liberals (among which I count myself) like to piss on Musk and buddies for not actually supporting freedom of speech even though they call themselves absolutists in this area, but drastic moves like leaving over some tweet is a plank cut from the same tree...
If you're going to move every time somebody says something you find questionable you're going to have a hell of a time with the average company being filled with hundreds of people and thusly hundreds of opinions. And it's good to remember most people are going to be having these takes in background without you knowing of them.
Reddit has a tendancy to be alarmist. AFAIK there's zero evidence to support Proton are closeted MAGA. If i'm wrong on this i'll gladly stand corrected with some substantial evidence.
I absolutely do not believe Proton is MAGA, nor did I want to make such a statement.
It's just that the CEO is the most company-representing voice, and they said something vaguely positive, attributing it to the Trump administration, which caused a backlash. I do not think it is right, but it is what it is, and in the current political landscape Proton CEO's actions were a bit insensitive.
Imagine thinking installing Felon as an unelected official would be the best approach to putting Tech Bros in place.
I would pay to watch this guy try to put his shoes on in the morning
The CEO endorses the American Nazi Party
So depressing
Yeah I let my ProtonVPN subscription lapse, and rather than using them for email I moved to Soverin.
There were a bunch of companies that showed up in a search, but I'm guessing you mean this one?
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Same for me, just in the process of updating my mail adress everywhere again right now.
My renewal was just coming up and I also couldn't justify it. I've switched to a personal domain with my E-Mail and use Infomaniak for mail, calendar and cloud storage and Keepass as my password manager. Positive side effect, I only pay half of what I've paid for Proton.
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