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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced retaliatory tariffs after Donald Trump confirmed 25% tariffs on Canadian goods and 10% on energy, set to take effect at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday.

Trump justified the move by linking it to fentanyl smuggling concerns.

Trudeau called the tariffs "unjustified" and imposed 25% tariffs on $155 billion in U.S. goods, with $30 billion effective immediately and the rest in 21 days.

He warned of price hikes and job losses in the U.S., arguing the move violates Trump’s own trade agreement from his last term.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago

American here.

100% support you Canada. Keep it up.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 180 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

I like Cory Doctorow’s plan.

The reason Canada got tariff-free access to sell to the US in the first place? Canada agreed to enforce penalties for tampering with digital locks, following the premise of the Digital Milennium Copyright Act.

If the US is going back on the deal, then Canada should too. Make it legal to jailbreak all US tech.

Doctorow advocating for this plan:

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 47 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Heck, make it legal to pirate all American media.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

A surprising amount of 'American' media is filmed and produced in Canada. ~~Toronto~~ Vancouver is like Hollywood North. This would probably be a footgun

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Vancouver is a huge TV filming location as well.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Ugh, I feel like a dummy. I was picturing BC in my mind and typed out Toronto. You're 100% correct about Vancouver

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

No problems, make exceptions for anything that was made involving Canada!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Stargate SG-1, full of blatant military propaganda (I know it's not so bad, but), was filmed there.

[–] lance20000@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, I'm not too concerned about that. Their courts are being attacked with so much that I'm pretty sure downloading a car isn't going to be high on their list.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Hit where it really hurts: stop paying Microsoft.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It already basically is; Anti-piracy laws in Canada don't have a lot of teeth. I leave my torrent computer running 24 hours a day to seed and I don't even get emails anymore after switching to a smaller service provider.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

In that case, the Candian government should set up an official service for downloading American stuff. Making it easy to find things would be worth a nominal fee for a lot of people.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

If the US is going back on the deal, then Canada should too. Make it legal to jailbreak all US tech.

That should be considered with plans for further escalation varying from nothing to an embargo.

Though arguably piracy and jailbreaking are not so bad for said domination. Microsoft practically encouraged piracy in ex-USSR at some point. Piracy solves the availability problem, supports market share, leads to short-term loss in sales but long-term growth.

But that's Microsoft, while US government in general seems to think DMCA is for them what the Sound was for the Danish crown in middle ages.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

They could also make their own play store and apple store, and could charge the developers much lower fees, for the same apps that would work anywhere. It would cost them very little and be nothing but profit.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Im pretty sure i watched him say this on democracy now and he was a great listen

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 3 points 5 hours ago

Yep, I caught that one too. He’s a fantastic orator. He’s got an endless arsenal of one-liners.

I added a link to that and some other instances where he’s made this argument.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 98 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is such a vindictive moron. Whether he's a Russian asset or just a certifiably stupid, the end result is the same.

Good god I hate this fucking timeline. Fuck corporate America for backing this monster and fuck everyone who voted for him. Fuck the Democrats for collectively shrugging about all this too.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 21 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Whether he’s a Russian asset or just certifiably stupid

Most definitely both.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, if he was just in it for his own aggrandisement, none of this would make sense. The orders are very clearly coming from Moscow here, because only Putin benefits from all this bullshit.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

And he's stupid for going along with it - a smart Russian asset US president would get something in return other than a pat on the head.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 14 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

Ok I've been wanting to ask this and all the articles don't really address it so I'm confused.

The whole rhetoric is that Trump's tariffs will impact the citizens with increased prices and it's really just going to cause economic harm. Like cool, I can understand that. But why is Canada then performing the same action effecting their citizens? I get it's retaliatory, and suppose to expedite (hopefully) a return to normal trade policy. I just don't get why this is the move when it's a bad move in the first place (two wrongs don't make a right and all). Please be gentle, I'm honestly just confused.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Trump's tariffs are universal. Meaning that even in cases where the only practical option is Canada, for example potash, they have to suffer a direct 25% price increase.

The Canadian tariffs are highly selective, we only tariff goods that have alternate non US suppliers at similar prices. In this case the tariffs would mostly reduce market competition without directly affecting price.

I think the better approach is to not enforced the digital lock aspects of the free trade agreement and have Canada be a leading repairer of farm and industrial equipment.

[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Doesn't Belarus also produce potash? I thought they were dropping sanctions against them to get it

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 7 hours ago

There really aren't any other moves to take. It's either this or lie down.

Also, I will say that tariffs can be a lot easier to manage if you only implement them against one of your trading partners. While major imports from that trading partner, and any goods produced with any of those imports, will see a price hike, most Western countries have very diversified economies and can make up the difference elsewhere. The real trouble begins when you start having blanket tariffs affecting all of your major trade partners, which seems to be Trump's plan.

[–] Spur4383@lemmy.world 25 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

If the tariffs are taylored correctly they can cause more pain in the US while minimizing cost to Canada. For example, us grain is not cheap and you can make it so that Canada buys from other countries at a similar cost. This will hurt farmers in the US (a key group for Trump) while not really hiring Canada.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Make it hurt for the morons that support nazis

[–] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 17 points 7 hours ago

My understanding is that when the americans institute their tariffs, all canadian products become more expensive for americans and not price competitive with local american products. This results in a decrease of purchasing from Canada.

If we do nothing, then Canadians are still buying just as much american as before and there are little to no consequences for the tariffs

With tariffs on both sides, the effect is roughly "equalized" in that we are both now buying more local goods and less trade over the border

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[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 60 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

We need to really turn the screws into the U.S. Along with applying tariffs, we also need to just outright stop delivery of critical materials they need. Full Stop.

I’m know this is just a sounding board, but honestly I’d love to see the cutting off of any and all essential raw materials they need. I’m sure they can source it elsewhere, but they most likely can’t get enough of it fast enough.

Cut off anything they need for energy and more importantly: agriculture.

People can live without power. Make their stomachs ache.

Trump is a diseased cunt who doesn’t understand what happens when things don’t go his own way. Let’s show him.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago

I said it before. Stop sending aluminum and steel and aerospace and military manufacturing would suffer immensely. That is 90%+ of all good made, metals have strict import requirements and certifications, and we couldn't just make our own on a whim.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 41 points 9 hours ago

The Beaverton had as a headline a few weeks back along the lines of "Americans choose the most expensive way to figure out what they purchase from Canada" which I thought was appropriate.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Yes make us hurt. It’s the only way.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 20 points 8 hours ago

I was going to buy an item but the price went up since yesterday. Not going to buy it now. It's his tax on us. Not going to finance Krasnov's destruction of America.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

should double those tariffs.

[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 90 points 11 hours ago (12 children)

unfortunately, America has created a system where we can’t really do anything about the president at this point I am really wondering how long will the global world order allow Donald Trump to continue to screw things up for everybody else? Not just talking about economics with Mexico, Canada and China. But also the military situation in Ukraine, which directly impacts the European Union as well as NATO 

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't want Trump to become president for many reasons, one of the main ones being I didn't want him to pull USA out of NATO, because it strengthens our shared enemies.

Things are actually going worse than I expected, which is really impressive.

[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 19 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I know people are probably sick of hearing this, but I kind of figured this would be the worst possible case imaginable because the same thing happened to Hitler. They threw his ass in jail and then after a couple of months they let him walk and then when he regained power, he knew that he could never lose power again, and if he did, he’d never be able to accomplish his personal objectives. 

There’s something about history that we can learn from here. I don’t know why Trump was even allowed to run, but yeah, here we are. 

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 hours ago

He was allowed to run because McConnell stonewalled Obama and let Trump select a bunch of Supreme Court appointees, which then decided that trump can't be held accountable for anything.

Then everyone decided the rule of law was important, except trump, which means he's steamrolling every safeguard we had.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 18 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

They absolutely can do something. They don't want to. They support this.

This is not Donald Trump, this is America. They voted for exactly this. And they seem to be enjoying it.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I am NOT enjoying it and I'm doing everything in my power to resist this administration.

Checks instance name

In Minecraft. Always in Minecraft.

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

Trust me, we (the sane of us) don't like any part of the dumbest idiots of the country letting it the rich narcissist Nazis takeover them.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 30 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

I am really wondering how long will the global world order allow Donald Trump to continue to screw things up for everybody else?

I mean what are they gonna do? Invade and depose him? We're witnessing the end of the Pax* Americana, simple as that.

*Terms and conditions apply.

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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 52 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

The problem is that the global order is collapsing. That's what makes this possible for Trump and his companions. It's been going to shit for a while. We're entering a world where international law will be less important. Sadly.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

International law was already completely irrelevant when it came to the developed world imposing its will on the entire developing world, or anyone classified as an "enemy". There are hundreds of violations across the years that were never enforced, from America carpet bombing south east asia and installing puppet regimes around the world, to Russias use of phosphorous warheads and chemical weapons in Syria, to Israel (and allies) genocide in Palestine.

International laws have only ever been, at best, gentleman's agreements among the developed world's oligarchs and political classes.

What's happening now is the US political class and oligarchy are shifting allegiance to fascist authoritarianism and imperialism, because both are populated with mentally ill narcissists and psychopaths of insatiable greed and megalomania, completely detached from reality; no different to the feudalist monarchs, emperors and pharaohs of old.

I also don't believe this is an America problem, as much as it is a capitalism problem. Americas oligarchy are no different to Russias oligarchy, who are no different to Chinas oligarchy, who are no different to every oligarchy. They are borderless, stateless, only worship wealth and power, and are a reflection of the psychology created by unchecked wealth and power; these people view themselves as the rightful rulers of humanity, by virtue of their wealth and power, and views concepts like democracy a direct threat to their existence.

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[–] Wabbitsmiles@lemmy.world 51 points 10 hours ago

Why doesn't trump just setup fentanyl production in the states? Seems like a easy fix for me /s

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