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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by UlyssesT@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

Yes I know that fascism measurehead is a playable ideology in Disco Elysium, but presenting fascism as with its integral ugly reality, glaring contradictions, and unsustainable death drive is a pretty leftist (and correct) way of portraying it. de-encyclopedia

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[-] DoiDoi@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

America's Army comes to mind. Apparently it shut down last year though.

And yeah, CoD

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

It's a combination of Call of Duty, Hatred, and a bunch of H-games with lolis.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Hatred, and a bunch of H-games with lolis.

So basically Yandere Simulator. kombucha-disgust

[-] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Cyberpunk 2077. The setting is perfectly competent cyberpunk, with all the capitalist reality heightened to the point of absurdity, but V is the fucking ur-chud.

You're in an extreme late-capitalist hellworld; the climate and most of social order is collapsing beyond repair. Your character's reaction to this is to be a mercenary whose principle preoccupation is their own legend. Your connection with humanity at large is limited to a cobbled together network of a handful of people who morally vindicate your every action. Your story is mostly about the trail of bodies left behind by a quest to do nothing but save your own life. The most pure version of your final arc is to eschew entirely any form of collectivist solution in favor of dialing up the rugged individualist power fantasy to 11 with a on-person guns-blazing assault on a Japanese corporation (alternatively there's now an expansion where you can sell out and be offered to become a fed because of how cool you are).

All of this while maintaining a pretense of being a morally neutral person just driven by common sense and your second amendment-given right to self-defense from hordes on interchangeable sheeple.

[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

There's a reason I chose the ending where

spoilerV shoots himself in the head above Misty's tarot shop

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[-] leftofthat@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Prison Architect

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

Way too easy answer: Ethnic Cleansing

Slightly less easy answer: I think Postal 2 is the ur-chud game. Even as a teenager the racism, misanthropism and overall edgelord content was way too much for me, and it's all covered in that supposed plausible deniability :smuglord: "Well, it was your choice to do that edgelord shit. The game allows you to play it peacefully" shit that chuds love so much because it's essentially another version of the smuglord "I never said the welfare queens in my story were black. Sounds like you're the real racist here" deflection.

Off topic, but I do think there's an interesting game to be made with the whole "the player chose to do these bad things" narrative mechanic, which you could say Spec Ops: The Line and Undertale did to various degrees. Of course, Postal 2 was never going to be that game since it was made by sophomoric edgelords.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

I misread that as Portal 2 and was confused as fuck for the next sentence

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

That's impossible, because Portal 2 was released several years after I was no longer a teenager skeleton-wave

[-] KittyBobo@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

I enjoy those types of games but stuff like SWAT 4 and Ready or Not where you're the hyper-competent police who are the only thing saving the sheeple from drugs, politicians, and corruption. And if you happen to kill a civilian then you get an Oopsie-Daisy sticker on your performance sheet.

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

I came here to mention Postal 2. I still think the premise is kind of clever, in that you're never truly forced to act violently and you can escape every confrontation without harming anyone if you know what you're doing. That could probably be done better though, but I personally have a soft spot for games that use the player's frustration as a mechanic.

But it really does communicate the American reactionary mindset. It's racist, it's smug, it presents a world where other people are aggressive and horrible for no reason. You fight against leftist-coded protestors at various points. It presents mass murder as a cathartic solution to problems. The developers seem like they're chuds as well, like deep in the weeds variety. They put that Milo Yiannopoulos guy in a DLC, voiced by himself.

[-] jaeme@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've played postal 2 as well and there is a very good reason why the only things that come out from that game is the "sign my petiton" level and Gary Coleman (as well as Rick Hunter's performance as the protagonist which most likely is why the game was popular in the first place).

The rest of the game is a time capsule incomprehensible to anyone who isn't a white teenager just after 9/11. Maybe it has some little value that way.

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[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

Don't think there is an equivalent to Disco Elysium really, but there are lots of games where what you do is claim other people's stuff for yourself, take it by force and kill everyone who stands in your way, which is the essence of chud ideology. Many games have "individual power over others" as their main appeal.

[-] fuckiforgotmypasswor@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i dont know what the fuck i just saw when i went to whatever eyesore of a sub that "brigade incoming" link took me to, but the top comment is a snapshot of your comment and them attempting to dunk on it as though communism is literally about killing people and just taking their stuff wonder-who-thats-for

i forgot that this is literally as deep as chud analysis goes, also i'm sure they have no fucking idea who the owned were but if they're talking about the romanovs, fucking lol and also yes-comm

[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Communism is about individual power yea

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

"You are the chosen one of epic destiny and the main character. Everyone else is a disposable NPC."

In some ways, chuds caught up in "simulation theory" are trying to make the chud equivalent of Disco Elysium in the offline world, every day. scared-fash

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

That shooter game the US Army made in like 2006

[-] ComRed2@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

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[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

I have never seen a fascist game with good writing. And by fascist I mean like full fascist. Yes libs can write OK sometimes. And yes scratch a lib etc. etc. But if you look at the most infamous /pol/ type games it's all shock value "kill [insert marginalized group]" simulators and Machiavellian grindset zero sum strategy games.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

The fascist idea of good writing is "says what the reader already wants to believe, and says it with a lot of words."

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[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

would you believe that reactionaries have no imagination?

get out of town.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

not only do they lack imagination, they have a different conception of what art is supposed to be. Art is meant to be purely surface level instructive slop meant for immediate consumption and then disposal. Its aesthetic value comes from only how closely it communicates a reactionary worldview. Look at all the very bland movies the Nazis made, where the plot is always something like a nice German man has a nice German wife and they're very normal. Look at modern American country music and how banal it is.

[-] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

Any of those jingoistic games that came out after 9/11 about mowing down terrorists and fistfighting Osama Bin Laden in a cave.

[-] DoiDoi@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

yeah maybe just like an archive snapshot of newgrounds in 2003

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I'm imagining a really cursed version of Last Call BBS lol

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

The chuds would still say Disco Elysium

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The cryptofascist chuds that already linked to this thread on Reddit, according to another reply here, suggest that you're right. yea

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Never played it but wasn't Kingdom Come: Deliverance sus and it's dev a reactionary goobergater?

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

This. It's pretending to be a realistic portrayal of a historical period, but all that means is no PoC and you're a commoner who can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

[-] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Also the sword fighting mechanics are fucking atrocious

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It had a toxic as fuck fandom and lots of "historical accuracy" pretenses that amounted to us-foreign-policy because the accents were all over the place and it got some downright fundamental details laughably wrong (yeah, kill one of a noble's guards and you'll totally just go to jail for a few days), but I wouldn't call it comprehensive chuddery.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

It was also boring as fuck and decided that having a three hour intro is a great way to start your game

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[-] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Planet Alcatraz

You play as a space marine dropped into a prison colony planet to thwart a faction that has developed nuclear weapons. All the non-marine factions in the game are racist caricatures. It's really fucked up.

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[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Call of Duty

[-] axont@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Someone else already said Postal 2, which is probably the best example here. That one is a game made by white nihilistic reactionaries for teenagers of a similar mindset.

The only other socially conservative game I can think of are most city builders, if that counts. They're kind of both lib and chud at the same time. Their entire operation is premised on there's a single, correct way to plan a society that is stable in perpetuity. And it's premised on most people being a permanent consumer class who mostly drive cars and only complain when they don't have public utilities. Also everything's assumed to work around car infrastructure. Also police stations have to exist or society collapses.

I've never seen a city planner game directly involve issues like systemic racism. It's assumed to not exist. The Tropico games kind of have class revolt, but it's really simplistic and more of a function of how low/high wages are. I guess not all city builders are conservative. Tropico and Frostpunk are kinda different

[-] Helmic@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Sim City and Cities: Skylines are made with very neoliberal assumptions of how cities work, especially the former. Prison Architect applies a lot of the same logic to a dorflike, where the "good" prisons are supposedly reforming people through prison labor and the cops are always on their best behavior - or you can run a brutal death row hellhole to fulfill a chud's radicalized revenge fantasies.

But iunno if there is really specifically a Disco Elysium of anything, it's like a step removed from a visual novel with light RPG elements. It's such a dense game of text that is very direct about what it is about, and there just aren't many games that are that overtly political and that challenge the player to reflect on their politics. Straight up fascist literature tends to be less thoughtful, basically violent fantasies that double as examples of praxis, calls to do violence. Their games tend to be even less sophisticated - Kingdom Come: Deliverance is an imagined (all white) past, the Postal games are just about killing people, the devs who made Hatred went on to make more bigoted shit. They're mostly just games that have a fascist mentality rather than games that'll sit a chud down and make them really think about fascism.

Which is good, obviously. The best RPG many critics have ever played is communist, this puts us at a unique position culturally.

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[-] good_girl@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Homefront (2011)

TL;DR: DRPK unites Korea and invades an economically damaged US, you play on the side of the americans. The game starts out with you in a re-education camp.

Alternatively that one kyle rittenhouse game

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[-] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Im goin with kingdom come deliverence

Just seems fittinf and also i think they are chuds.

And unfortunately ready or not for obvious reasons.

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[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

The generic military shooter?

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

There's other adventure games like DE; which military shooter truly defines the chud experience most comprehensively?

It's Cawadoody, isn't it? yea

[-] dramaticcat@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago
[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

The funniest thing about this is that Disco Elysium constantly makes fun of these strags that think communism will win by being whiny babies. It's a mix of 0 self awareness and no media literacy

"Therefore, fascism is based and billions of lolcows must die." frothingfash

[-] thoro@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago

What is this shit?

"RETVRN isn't fascism at all though. Fascism is against traditionalism, it's a fundamentally socialist ideology."

The politics understanders are online, I see

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Love how they somehow misconstrue Disco Elysium, a game largely written by communists, to be a condemnation of communism.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

There's no harsher critic of Communism than other communists. Mostly because chuds end up criticizing a straw man with a crudely drawn hammer and sickle on it.

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[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

For people who harp about 'degraded modern art', they default to eyesore UI pretty frequently

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[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Federation is literally just being a subreddit again

[-] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Here I was wading through to see if they had a chud game, and all I got was Disco Elysium

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