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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

I’m not on Twitter, so I get my news elsewhere, but most of the actual pictures I see are from here. So is there some kind of bias where only the fascist imagery gets posted here in the the dunk tank? Or do the libs scrolling through Ukrainian posts on Twitter literally see and ignore fascist imagery on every single post? Like, if they see 1000 Ukrainian soldiers, will they see 1000 fascist symbols?

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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 118 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The CIA spent the postwar years doing all kinds of gross things, one of which was trying to move as many nazis to Ukraine as possible, with the specific aim of creating a fascist uprising in the USSR and possibly a Ukrainian fascist break-away state. They accelerated this program after the USSR coup, and the result is a modern Ukrainian state with outright neo-nazis in positions of power over the police, cities, and entire government. This is also why Ukraine doesn't bother to do the hilariously simple trick of just telling their troops to stop wearing white nationalist, nazi patches, or perhaps suggesting to volunteers using assumed names to stop picking "Adolf" or "Dirlewanger" or whatever - they are all part of an explicitly fascist national project.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wow, that's... incredible. The CIA has done some fucked up shit, but that's something else entirely. Do you have a quality source on this? I'd like to follow up on this claim.

Edit: holy shit

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Edit: holy shit

This exact thought has created hundreds of thousands of marxist-leninists over the years. Stick around, you'll have a lot of these moments.

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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Google "Project AERODYNAMIC CIA", the documents are all on the CIA's own website

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[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 90 points 1 year ago

IMO they publish all these pictures on purpose as part of a wider campaign to normalize nazism.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago

There's a video out there from pretty early in the war with an azov officer bragging and laughing about how easy it was for them to dupe the entire western media apparatus into apologizing for their obvious fascism, so yeah.

I haven't seen it since it was first making the rounds though, and I have no idea how to even start trying to find it again.

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[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 82 points 1 year ago

Ukrainian fascists are the commandos of the war and have people sympathetic to them all up the chain. They are provided with a lot of power on the ground and this includes the production of propaganda.

You see a lot of Nazi imagery because (1) there are indeed a lot of Ukrainian fascists in the military and (2) the Ukrainian fascists are the ones creating the photo ops.

Liberals are first and foremost ignorant and most don't even notice or recognize sonnenrads or whatever most of the time. And when it's pointed out, they become defensive, as this has been their rah-rah nationalist moment, the first war in a long time they feel they can outwardly support. Acknowledging that they're supporting Nazis creates cognitive dissonance that leads them to lash out like children.

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[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

A lot don't because they're just ordinary people in a shit war, and I don't blame them for fighting any more that some french or german dumbass volunteering in ww1. Even if you know the theory and are socialist, Revolutionary Defeatism is a hard road to follow in a real war, especially at first.

But pretty much every elite or regular army unit does. And as militia get hardened by these cadre more and more take on their fash ideology, much as German proto fascists infiltrated the units that would become the freicorps.

It's fucked and Ukraine is gonna be a hotbed of not just Fascism but full Nazism if it survives, win or lose. Of course this war continues to strengthen the Fash opposition to Putin (who sucks, but isn't a fascist) in Russia as well. Only silver lining is that the communist rank and file is increasingly agitated as well.

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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because there's been a concentrated propaganda effort since the 2014 coup to make fascist ideology acceptable. Look at what happened to the polled approval rating of Bandera between 2014 and 2022. It pretty much doubled. That is not an organic thing, it happened because the fascists wanted it to, and pushed hard for the normalisation of fascism since their 2014 coup.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll be as fair as I can about it, really seems like it's around 1 in 10.

Which is a fucking lot.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

If one Nazi sits down in an armored vehicle with 9 others, you now have 10 mechanically mobilized Nazis

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[-] Babs@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago

Ukrainian nazis are an insignificant minority with no real political power, but also it would be way too much to ask them to stop wearing nazi symbols or to not show them off front and center in all their propaganda.

And really, doesn't every military have its nazis? That's why we also constantly see pictures of American and Russian soldiers wearing nazi patches, right?

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is obviously a bias because the pictures with fascist imagery are worth posting for that very fact, but also a lot of major news outlets keep struggling to post even a small gallery without needing to scrub it.

[-] Comp4@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

It would be so fucking easy NOT to have death heads and sun-wheels on everything. It just seems that there is 0 problem to flaunt fash imaginery in the Ukranian forces. Which isnt suprising since neo-nazism seems to be pretty commonplace in Ukraine (even by european standards).

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[-] ItsPequod@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

The exact bias that lead to Canada plucking a Nazi out of the thousands of possible veterans they could have chose and honored, yes

Turns out when virulently reactionary nationalism goes unchecked it proliferates among the populace. The entire reason those same nazis were allowed in to begin.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

i assume the ones most on social media are the most ideologically commited, some unenthusiastic draftee probably isn't bragging and masturbating online about it.

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[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

i mean there's a draft, so it seems highly unlikely, but I think the nazis are the most in favor of the war, and therefore are the most willing to show up in propaganda begging for more guns.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

exactly. I think that the large majority of the Ukrainian military that could be really called "soldiers" - as opposed to men who are drafted, shown which end of the gun the bullets come out of, and then are sent to die in minefields (because NATO doesn't consider the average Ukrainian to be a human being and are instead treated as subhuman cannon fodder, hence all the "we're weakening Russia for basically no cost!" shit from liberals) which makes up the vast majority of the Ukrainian military at this point - do have fascist imagery somewhere on their person.

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