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I’m not on Twitter, so I get my news elsewhere, but most of the actual pictures I see are from here. So is there some kind of bias where only the fascist imagery gets posted here in the the dunk tank? Or do the libs scrolling through Ukrainian posts on Twitter literally see and ignore fascist imagery on every single post? Like, if they see 1000 Ukrainian soldiers, will they see 1000 fascist symbols?

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[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 118 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The CIA spent the postwar years doing all kinds of gross things, one of which was trying to move as many nazis to Ukraine as possible, with the specific aim of creating a fascist uprising in the USSR and possibly a Ukrainian fascist break-away state. They accelerated this program after the USSR coup, and the result is a modern Ukrainian state with outright neo-nazis in positions of power over the police, cities, and entire government. This is also why Ukraine doesn't bother to do the hilariously simple trick of just telling their troops to stop wearing white nationalist, nazi patches, or perhaps suggesting to volunteers using assumed names to stop picking "Adolf" or "Dirlewanger" or whatever - they are all part of an explicitly fascist national project.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Wow, that's... incredible. The CIA has done some fucked up shit, but that's something else entirely. Do you have a quality source on this? I'd like to follow up on this claim.

Edit: holy shit

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Edit: holy shit

This exact thought has created hundreds of thousands of marxist-leninists over the years. Stick around, you'll have a lot of these moments.

[–] Misanthropic_Stork@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If you also accept people that feel closer to the anarchist ideals (not the "I'm free to do what I want, no rulez!!" type), I'll do.

[–] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love my anarchist comrades.

[–] Misanthropic_Stork@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still in the infancy though, so, don't mind too much if there's some bad takes here and there; they'll eventually stop after more reading.

That tends to be how it goes. Bad takes in good faith are usually met with direct explanation. Hopefully that is your experience as well.

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, you don't have to agree with everything to still be family.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Google "Project AERODYNAMIC CIA", the documents are all on the CIA's own website

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ever hear of The Jakarta Method?

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had not. I looked it up and have since bought the book, and just... I have no words that can really do it justice.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

It's a lot, but it's a really good (and important) read. I found that, for me, it really hammered home how much of the conflict out there is class war where the nazi's and their adjacents ( neo-nazis, kkk, christo-fascists, mujahideen, etc) are ultimately just the foot-soldiers of capital against the workers of the world.

Unfortunately, The Jakarta Method just kinda scratches the surface of the horrors of the last century. I definitely recommend Vijay Prishad's Washington Bullets for a more broad overview of what Jakarta Method covers at an individual level. Also, The Blowback podcast is great, especially Season 2 if you're looking for CIA shenanigans. I've not read a book on it yet, but Operation Gladio is also pretty important when it comes to the CIA and supporting nazis and other fash.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

When we say the CIA is the arm of satan, we aren't kidding.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Project Aerodynamic was one part of the CIA network of Ukrainian Banderite Nazis creating propaganda literature.

https://www.foiaresearch.net/project/aerodynamic

This nazi was the main guy involved in running the operation. Prolog Research was his publishing firm funded by the CIA to generate anti-soviet pro-Ukrainian nationalist books.

From 1949, Lebed lived in the United States. During 1952–1974, he headed the Prolog Research Center in New York; in 1982–85, he was Deputy Chairman and since 1974 he was a Member of the Board of Directors of the institution. In 1956-91 he was a member of the board of the Ukrainian Society of Foreign Studies in Munich and Toronto, publishing committee "Chronicle of the UPA (1975). Author memories "UPA" (1946, 1987). Thanks to his collaboration with the CIA and their active shielding of him, Lebed was never tried for the war crimes he and his men had committed against Poles and Jews during WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Lebed

The works published through Prolog later became incorporated into history curriculum to cement the false narratives they had established.

More about that here: https://www.villagevoice.com/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/