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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 77 points 3 days ago (6 children)
[–] b1t@lemm.ee 50 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's because the Moderates (aka. Republicans in blue suits) control the party and it's been this way for far too long.

It's the same reason Nancy Pelosi kept stepping on AOC's toes and even worked to keep her out of key committee positions, despite her being popular with a lot of Democratic voters.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 days ago

Yeah, they're not meek or cowards.

They bravely stand up to their own base.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago (3 children)

no one is this meek. this is collusion. they're complicit, and it's not by accident. they've always been this way.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Democratic politicians suck up Super PAC money the same as Republicans. It's just that Republicans just do other forms of corruption out in the open because they know their voters are too stupid to notice.

Trump scamming people with memecoin currency, MAGA doesn't care.

[–] Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

This is the correct take. Dems are owned by corporations, conservatives are owned by oligarchs (and corporations, but I don't think corporations are too happy with what's going on with Trump and Musk)

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[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 80 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Call your senators, they can still block this despite Schumers push. The vote is tomorrow. If all republican vote for it, they need 7 dems. 8 with Rand Paul who has said he'll vote no. (Republicans are not using reconciliation so it needs the the filibuster)

Many senate dems are publicly coming out against voting for cloture (meaning they won't vote to let it get through the filibuster). As of what I last read, around ~~11~~ 10 dems are thought to potentially vote to let it pass filibuster. Most of those are still not sure. We only need a handful more of those to become noes and it will get blocked. Some yeses have flipped to noes because of public pressure. We cannot let up now

Link to find direct numbers your senators

https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm

Or call the capitol switch board (202) 224-3121

House dems are publicly telling the senate not to do this (and it's not just AOC on this - it's quite a few of them). Earlier read that 7 Dem state AGs are saying the same. Federal worker unions are telling senate dems not do this. Keep the pressure up

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[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 13 points 2 days ago

We're not going to give Donald Trump what he wants, so we're going to pass this spending bill that gives him everything he wants! That'll how 'im!

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

It's long past time for Schumer and most of the timid OLD dems, to step aside. We've had enough of failing. We need to elect people that are capable of fighting back.

[–] tacobellhop@midwest.social 9 points 2 days ago

Only if you’re ready for a decades long campaign to flip towns, cities, districts, and state level legislatures like it took the republicans from 1972 to just a month ago.

That’s what we’re up against.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I've often been a defender of Democrats being realistic, but Schumer is on some bullshit here.

It’s unclear what, if anything, Schumer got in return for his decision to allow the House bill to proceed

Says it all right there. The Republican bill was just a list of laughably insane things they knew Democrats would oppose so they could blame the shutdown on them. It actually cuts funding of DC's local budget forcing them to fire teachers and even cops. Again, nothing to do with the federal government. It just grabs power from a local government and says that they can't use their own local tax revenues to educate kids and fight crime. It's complete rabid insanity that has no point other than to bully a blue city. And Schumer's like "Sure, ok. whatever."

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The budget also cuts medicare and medicaid by some pretty substantial amounts, among many other government programs.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is the CR. This allows for more time to work on that budget... which only needs 51 votes because of reconciliation.

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They're not meek, they're bought.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It’s really hard to remove bought politicians when it’s the rule and not the exception

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's why I am 99% certain America gets a civil war. When half the population are so mentally ill that they support Trump, and the other half so brainwashed they blame progressives for Trump — the only group that has consistently warned that conservatism and neoliberalism will result in fascism — you can't simply "deprogram" them.

One major reason Europe rebounded after WW2 is because the vast majority of fascist "true believers" died in the war, and fascist leadership was executed. Europe essentially had a political and sociological "reset". Without that, America's cancer will continue to grow and fester. If civil war does not happen, or the fascists win it, the world gets US fascist imperialism and WW3 in the 2030's; give or take a few years.

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[–] Xain52@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I called my senators in new mexico to vote no. And with senator lujan the clerk said he will be voting no. So hopefully more will follow.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump will destroy America and blame democrats if we don't fully back Trump destroying America, including removing congressional power to block the destruction of America while it is done.

On blame, easy path is push for clean CR that will keep government open, or reopen, when house votes on it when they feel like coming back to work. GOP will be blamed for the shutdown.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

DOGE is already tearing wiring out of the walls. Crazy to get weeks of "Half Department X has been fired and the budget has been slashed" articles only to hear Schumer take the blame in advance for further defunding.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago

Lol Trump called Schumer a "Palestinian" (now a threat) and this fucker just rolls over.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I love how these conversations happen many times every session, but then campaign time comes and everyone calls me a Russian asset for reminding people of what the "Blue No Matter Who" mentality gets you.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

This is the proper attitude for primaries, not general elections.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (16 children)

The time to have that conversation is before and during the primaries. After that, it's not a worthwhile conversation.

The message isn't the issue, your timing is.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're either with the oligarchs or you're with the terrorists

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Liberals are, for all their talk, in a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love with the DNC. BlueMAGA is some combination of a death cult and an abusive relationship.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The US has no form of vote of no confidence. So therefore no way to have consequences for bad governing outside of the voting period, which has its own problems. Importantly here is the need for quick backlash rather than wait two or more years to choose someone else (if there is anyone else allowed to be a pick).

A lot of the flaws in the government are inherent from the beginning because there were certain expectations assumed, and that a document of rules can't be perfect the first, second, or even only a third time. It needs consistent revisions to keep up with the needs of the group it is designed for. This is where the biggest failure has happened, and can be attributed to lack of attention, not wanting to change what seems to work, sacred holding of what was never meant to be set in stone, or just that it often benefited not being changed at the time by those with the power to change it.

Add to all that a very short attention spanned public, fine tuned to be ignorant and forgetful as well as easily manipulated by the simplest of sound bites.

The rot is in the walls. Not that the American Experiment was a bad thing, it's just that it wasn't maintained and updated, so you get eventual decay.

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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 6 points 2 days ago

Schumer clearly never learned that appeasing Nazis is not the way to go! Or perhaps he's a nazi is disguise.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The dnc is just controlled opposition. The Democratic Party is the only chance to push the country left but the establishment is working against it and these old fucking ghouls are the elite still and much closer to their Republican “counterparts” than they are to us.

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[–] Rad@lemmy.net.au 4 points 2 days ago

Dodgy governments as per usual.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They backed down on govt funding? They backed down, didn't they?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not they. So far it's only Schumer and Fetterman, and Fetterman was a lost cause anyway.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Anyone else get the feeling he’s been compromised?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I felt that about the lot of them since the state of the union address.

they're giving off strong "fuck you, got mine" vibes.

I doubt any of them realize the following though.

What do you get if you take everything away from a person?

you get what you fucking deserve.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Warner and Kaine have both said they intend to vote no. Unfortunately there's no chance my congressional district is going to do anything other than give Trump carte blanche.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If someone who has been in office doing their job for decades and still hasn't changed much .... why does anyone expect them to do anything different now?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago

No one does. That's why they need to go.

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