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we're in the office one day a week, mandatory for everyone regardless of seniority.
My direct reports have begged me to miss it on occasions where they really want to meet a deadline and know that the in office day means they'll barely get anything done.
I have to push the deadline back rather than honor their request because my boss' boss is fanatical about it.
It's so fucking stupid.
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Wasn’t there a study done that showed that remote workers are more productive?
Many. Also his first point is why remote workers would be able to attend the meeting more often, making "iteration" faster. His second point doesn't make any sense either. People don't do their jobs for sheer fun. They do it for a paycheck. Yet people actually got more work done while at home more often than not because less distractions from coworkers and stupid in person meetings. Plus some would go eat dinner, and then say 'im going to go finish this so I don't have to deal with it tomorrow". Which only benefits the company.
I actually agree about his points 1 and 2, and I also think remote work is still more productive.
When I worked remote, I worked for 4 hours and then chilled for 4 hours.
It's boring as fuck to be alone in a room working 8 hours. I just walked around, drank some coffee, scrolled my phone. Basically when I achieved something that was decently enough to call a day's work, then I just chilled. Just how I am.
I feel a lot more job secure when I work in office.
Remote makes it easier to seem busy and not get anywhere? This is why you have progress reports. Wtf? It's way easier to slack off in the office because the assumption is you're working. At home, someone like this guy would assume you're slacking off so you'd have to work harder to convince him otherwise.
shut up shut up shut up SHUT UP JUST SHUT UP
I have too go into the office for the first time in a year this Tuesday. I am completely at peace with the fact I will get nothing done.
I have a training seminar to run on Wednesday and intend to make sure everything is ready before I leave Monday evening.
This is one of those areas in my mental health journey where I’ve learned to accept that what my brain needs is not necessarily what my conscious personality thinks would be ideal.
I love my home and my family, and I’m an introverted reclusive nerd like I’m sure many others here. But whether it’s the ADHD or some other factors, I not only get way more done in the office but I feel better mentally and physically when I drive to work to do work things, then drive home to be in home mode. It helps that my “commute” is only a few miles on a fun quiet twisty country road.
In the last few weeks I’ve gone into the office every single day and had zero work from home days (I work on embedded systems and have needed to interact with certain in-office hardware) and I have actually felt great. Younger me would probably be horrified to hear this realization that that must somehow be wrong, lol.
The funny thing is that the rest of my team works from home so often that nobody bothers me all day!
Having separate areas for separate things is great for switching gears mentally, even for neurotypical people. I did a remote class for a month or so and I had to open a separate desktop on my computer because it was so easy to get distracted by my open fun tabs.
It's also the reason they recommend using your bed for ONLY sleep (and fuggin).
I just quit my work from home days, I like where I work. The area is well invested so it's a higher quality than just my own pc space at home.
Being there indeed has me more focused on working. It's like when you try to leave an addiction behind, then you need to change your environment. Well, the opposite works as well. If you need to work a lot, then do it always in the same environment.
The ability to work with my co workers is a lot easier at office. Otherwise it would just be phone calls or emails. When a coworker is working from home, I honestly don't interact with that person the whole work day.
Commuting to work is fun. I just bike 14 km to work. Mostly car free. Get paid 10 euros per day for biking. If I worked 5 days a week from home then I'd be giving 50 euros up just like that. Which is basically the difference between my pay level as accountant and adjunct accountant.
It would be silly.
Getting paid to do something that’s massively beneficial to your health? (…I squint at your post and notice euros & kms…) ohhhh.
Here in the US I had a past employer with medical benefits that charged you more if you were a smoker or didn’t engage with their wellness training. Almost the same, right? /s
Distance-wise, I could totally ride my bike to work. The shorter, more level route is only like 4km. But those kms are through American suburbia & neighboring commercial areas. And I would be the only bicycle they would see all day while angrily driving and texting in their 3-ton vehicle going 50mph(80km/h)+ on multi-lane roads.
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So they don't make chalk, but are called chalk.
Had anyone explained to them that chalk is brittle and easy to erase?
Remote makes it easy to look busy without making progress.
Boy, oh boy, do I have some news for you...
Im the office you can bullshit all day about sports and it is considered networking by developing relationships, which counts as working!
Office Space: Meeting with the Bobs comes to mind.
If someone can't tell if work is being completed or understand why something is held up, they really shouldn't be supervising that team.
Then why do the highest paid people sit alone in a office away from everyone else ?
Where is the accountability when the C level a-hole separate themselves from their entire company ?
That’s why they golf all the time.
They golf all the time because it’s an easy venue to make sure you’re not being heard making illegal deals.
You are trying to counter corpo propaganda with common sense...
You ain't wrong but this ain't what this is about.
Peasants will be working these fields and daddy owner will be "superving" since you can't trust these field ***** to do anything right without his greatness
I'm super unproductive when I work remote. I don't attend all my meetings, I average about 0.4 MRs per day, and probably only 10 lines of code. I make lazy post-development tickets just to check the box. I sometimes take hours to respond to messages, and I frequently end my day at only 5-7 hours worked.
Mysteriously, none of those things is a good way to measure productivity for software development, and mandating that everyone look like they're working hard does not ensure optimal creative problem solving.
You don't attend all your meetings?
I mean, ya many meetings are largely unnecessary, but if you're missing a fair bit of them and still employed the middle managers aren't doing their job I guess 😂
My situation might be unique there (and I realize describing this that calling them "my meetings" might be deceptively inaccurate). I support tools used by multiple teams, so when they're upgrading or planning, I should be there, but the rest of the time I have nothing to add to their efforts. The result is I'm invited to roughly 20 hours of meetings per week, and attend closer to 8.
Skill issue
Contrast this with the guy in Seattle who like tripled the size of his company in a year simply because offering remote work options made it super easy to scalp software engineers from his competitors.
Is this guy in Seattle still hiring?
I've been trying for years to get a software job in Seattle.
Its the only city that made me feel "at home"
Unfortunately, this was a few years ago, and the only thing I can find that resembles my memory of the article I was thinking of is this photo in my phone:
I think I might have had that mixed up with the story of that CEO who cut his pay from 1 million dollars to $70,000 and bumped up the salary of everybody else who worked at the company to $70,000.
I have never spent more time pretending to be busy than when I've had to work in an office. And god help the person who drags me away from what I'm doing every five minutes for "meetings".
I swear these people are just extroverted and lonely. If it can be summed up in a text or email, then don’t bother me.
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"We want to iterate really, really fast."
No. YOU want that...
You mean you don't love having your direction changed all the time?
A software company i was gonna do an internship at actually had every programmer switch projects every hour. They had so many clients, you would switch between 8 different projects every work day.
I did not do the internship. No thankyou.
What kind of cartoony social experiment was that? Is there any rational behind it other than making excuses to overwork employees?
The logic behind it is that if the project requires being handed off constantly that they will be designed in a way that all developers are interchangeable and anyone can work on anything.
My office tried that like a decade ago and the problem was that there is a ton of needs that aren't directly part of the code that impact how the system should function and vary wildly between projects. Project A has legal requirements, B is a fun thing but is for someone with very specific expectations, and C has different legal requirements than A. The same kind of change request for all three may be implemented differently in all three in a way that makes both designing and fixing bugs very different and constant switching means nobody has time to be up to speed on everything at the same time because software is more than whether or not it passes testing.
Example: Names for individuals in A might need to be limited to last names only for display purposes for all roles except system administrators who can see full names. Full names can be displayed in B. Full names can be displayed in software C for system administrators, but limited to initials for everyone else. Try keeping that stuff straight when adding something new involving names after changing systems constantly!
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Decisions that don't last more than a day are the best kinds of decisions!
He sounds like a cokehead
Of course he's into "AI", but healthcare decisions? Where is Luigi when you need em...
When I worked in office, there was one guy who literally brought in a gaming laptop. People would sit on their phones all day playing games or scrolling through Facebook. Or take a half hour smoke break every hour. Oh and so many people getting up to go just chit chat with somebody else, not about work, just to talk.
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Being in the same space with teammates
Ah, so what you mean is that you create an environment that is hostile towards people with sensory sensitivities or issues, while also standing menacingly over everyone's shoulders all day.
Hard pass.
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Motherfucker, I want you to schedule meetings with me, so that I can effectively manage my own time, and not get jerked around at your whim whenever you decide that "we" should do something completely stupid. If you don't want to have to schedule meetings with people, you don't value their time.
What you perceive as "looking busy" is quite often me letting things cook a little bit when I'm at an obstacle (technical or otherwise). My taking space to think and make sure I am not just flailing around in a panic all the time or saying the wrong thing the wrong way to the wrong people makes me more effective.
But you wouldn't know any of that, because you're a chode.
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There's so many of these Mommy's Special Boys who think their singular genius must be reflected on to others in meat space.
All hail the maladjusted narcissists and their performative office BS and the incompetents who cannot plan more than 15 seconds ahead in life.
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