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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There is a lot of highly critical discourse around the Last Samurai. Not current, because it's not a current movie, but saying that it's "okay" suggests ~~you~~ they haven't looked for criticism.

Also, weary.

Edit: clarity.

Edit2: I have since been made aware by @SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world of a different perspective that makes a lot more sense, see comments below.

[–] ka1ikasan@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yup, Last Samourai is 22 years old. Back then a lot of social issues have not been widely discussed.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

And even then, there were people who were uncomfortable with a narrative of some heroic white dude coming in to save the exotic natives. Just wasn't a very popular opinion.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Save the natives?

Doesn’t the movie end with them all dying?

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's presumably the beginnings of an awareness of why that narrative is problematic. And also of the importance of historic accuracy. His role in the narrative was that of a saviour though. (Also, he survives.)

[–] Melonpoly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

It was the main reason why I never ended up watching that film.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah but it was the other side of the spectrum. It weren’t right wing racist who were mad but SJWs who didn’t see the movie and don’t understand that the word Samurai in the title is plural not singular.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

Oh you're saying that this is about right wingers who think the Last Samurai is okay (while Ass Creed isn't).

... That... makes sense. Huh. I hadn't seen it that way.

[–] Flemmy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Lol as good as the production looked even as a white dude I kind of cracked up at Tommy in that role.

The Last Shogun appears to have the same thing going but idk I havn't watched it yet.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I'm not sure if The Last Shogun is something different, but if you're referring to the Shogun series recently adapted by FX, I can say having watched it that it features a main character who fancies himself a superior white savior, but ultimately leads to realizing how completely out of his depth he is.

But it's like the Memoir of a Geisha problem: since the original work was written by a white dude anyways, how much value does it have as a cultural work?

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I thought so too in the beginning. But the English character in that series is more of a... Useful tool that gets used. He has no agency and he never realises it throughout the entire series.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago

I recall quite a bit of people taking issue with it. Goes back further with carradine in kung fu. Plenty didn't but same with assasins creed.

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[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think it's wary, not weary. Could go either way, I guess.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meme of Giancarlo Esposito / Gus adjusting his tie with the caption "You won't buy Assassin's Creed Shadows because you're racist, I won't buy it because Ubisoft games are shit. We're not the same"

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hate that I'm on the same side as the racists though.

Thanks a lot Ubisoft.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

It's Far Cry 5 all over again

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Headline makes it sound Ubisoft posted this, but it doesn‘t look like it.

[–] zecg@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I was misinformed by an Azerbaijani home electronics swap meet board

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The fun thing about The Last Samurai is that the title doesn't refer to Tom Cruise. He does not play a samurai in the film. He plays an American officer.

He hangs with a group of samurai, who are collectively the last of their kind.

That said, plenty of people complained about it in its day.

[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I might be terribly incorrect.

But i remember that Tom Cruise's character switches sides in the movie after spending time with the Samurai (He was captured by them). He trains under them and becomes a Samurai. In the end, they fight against the (British?) and lose due to a gattling gun. All the Samurai die except for Tom's character. So symbolically, Tom is the Last Samurai.

[–] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, it's a classic "white savior" trope.

[–] johnnyb@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

he die didn't save shit though :D

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What did he save? Literally everyone but Meiji-backed forces dies at the end.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It is implied that Tom Cruise dies at the end. I think the confusion comes from a voice over, but you never see the character on screen again.

He also does not "become a samurai". He fights alongside them, but at no point do they call him a samurai.

Edit: looks like that link is wrong. He doesn't die at the end. I guess memory is a fickle beast.

[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He also does not "become a samurai"

Correct. That's why I said symbolically.

but you never see the character on screen again

I maybe incorrect but towards the end of the movie, the Emperor asks how Katsumoto died, to which Tom Cruise replies "I'll tell you how he lived". So he was alive?

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[–] shani66@ani.social 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hate that nazis glom onto any bad game and ruin the discussion around it.

[–] zecg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hardly ruin, you have to purposefully go find them gloating over Steam charts. But it's too funny that people really have choice enough now in the good graphics segment that Ubisoft is sinking. It's my fault, I cursed them when they left Steam for their 4-UAC-prompts-whenever-you-start PoS. They showed total contempt for their users with Breakpoint, tried an nft grift on the side, evolved all cosmetics to clown shoes level and totally failed to offer anything new. Where's Reflextions? Stuff like Grow Up / Home, metroidvanias on UbiArt Framework? They have great 3D engines and can't keep a team happy or unfired enough to have people that know how to use it and optimize a game and are able to take some risks with game design. It's all either heavily monetized multiplayer dreck or incremental QoL features in ever larger and shallower sandboxes in one of few large franchise flavors. There's not that much to discuss, woo bamboo cutting tech, a new coat of paint and some gimmicks. People claiming it's failing because it's either woke or culture appropriating are ascribing cultural import to a happy meal.

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[–] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Why do people manufacture arguments like this? Who is arguing that one is okay while the other isn’t? A couple random people on the Internet?

The only thing I can think of is The Last Samurai is a 20 year old movie and that somehow means not bringing up this historic fictional movie = you’re okay about a white dude becoming a samurai but not okay about a black dude becoming a samurai.

Whataboutism at its finest.

Did it not occur to this person that perhaps some people just don’t care about the movie, haven’t seen the movie, or plain just didn’t bring it up because it’s a movie? Is it “double standards” for one to pick their battles and not be enraged at everything all the time? My god this shit is exhausting.

Disclaimer: I have no opinion on the game itself because I frankly don’t care about it because I’m not the biggest Ubisoft fan outside of Rayman. Nor does the above necessarily reflect my opinion on the game’s historical accuracy. I’ve always loved The Last Samurai and Memoirs of a Geisha though and find both beautiful and touching films, so make of that as you will.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

when you dont have arguments that fit with what you want to do, you make up your own.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

I like how OP also chose to do zero research of all the controversy of the Last Samurai, and the years of PR control.

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[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

Ubisoft didn’t post this

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

I learnt the trope of the "white Savior" thanks to last samurai, and that was eons ago.

This is not a case of double standards, it's plain racism and influencer grifting.

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago

That's some grade A vintage racism right there.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

I remember people complaining about that movie when it came out actually

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago

Oh man I just remembered how great that could have been.

Red Dead 2 dealt with racist cults so elegantly.

And Far Cry 5's "Oh we're going there!" And making the most surface-level milquetoast bullshit I have ever seen.

[–] Dr_Box@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Nah I think both of these are examples of pandering. The Last Samurai is even worse because there was no reason at all for Tom Cruise to be there historically. Yasuke at least was a real samurai and I think if you were to ignore the fact that ubisoft is obviously pandering for publicity and cash his story isn't much different than Will Adams' portrayal in Shogan.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Say what you will about the white savior trope, but wasn't there a historical reason for Tom Cruise's character to be there? Japan was accepting foreign influence and modernization at that time, from what I know of history.

[–] Dr_Box@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah I was wrong. He's based off of Jules Brunet who was a french officer that trained the Tokugawa samurai in the use of modern weaponry of the time. He sided with the resistance against the emperor of Japan until he was evacuated by a french warship later on when the resistance was defeated. He wasnt a samurai by any means but he was a real guy

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[–] Rin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

In the same way that someone replaced all rainbow flags with confederate battle flags in Spiderman, someone's gonna mod the game to change the character's texture, then racists will also be happy (unless the game is shitty idk).

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