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[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Some of these men call other men "males" as well. I used to call both genders by such "technical" terminology because I did not think it was offensive until a woman complained in a forum I frequented like 15 years ago.

TBH I feel annoyed that I can't use those terms because I know some guys use the term to intentionally dehumanize specifically women and I am not that sort of guy. But also I really tend to embrace neutral/technical/clinical language a lot because of a general disdain for romantic thinking and language.

Things are not more than what they are.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago

anything you call people will offend some people….
i’m sure some chucklefyck doesn’t want to be called a “people”… actually “you people” is often offensive.
it’s all about context, and being as respectful as is reasonable… for example, “retard” literally means “slow”… you could retard the growth of a plant. mentally retarded was just a term for having severe cognitive disabilities that made you unable to interact normally and made you need care to live… but through a history of people abusing those people, and of course using that as an insult made it offensive and dehumanizing.
with calling people “females”, i think it’s because it’s extremely uncommon except for when people are dehumanizing women… so when someone innocently use the term they can be seen as likely oppressive… due to context.
also, given the transphobia thing, and scientific/anthropology defining female as the biological sex and woman as the associated gender, one might think you’re slipping transphobia into regular conversation…
and of course people like simple heuristics so “guys who call women ‘females’ are likely bad people”, works well enough….

[–] Hazor@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It's worth noting that the words 'male' and 'female' are adjectives, not nouns, so if you want to be technical then it's erroneous to use them thusly. That is, it is correct to say "I am male", but to say "I am a male" is grammatically erroneous.

In common speech, people don't tend to describe other human beings with these two adjectives, i.e. most people would say "she is a woman" rather than "she is female" (note, not "she is a female" because 'female' is not a noun). However, we do commonly describe animals using these adjectives, and colloquially the noun is commonly dropped. E.g., "it's a female" is seen as a perfectly normal way to describe a horse when it's understood that the other party knows that you mean "it's a female horse". This is why it is considered offensive to refer to a woman as "a female": it implies that she is an object, less than human and more suitably treated as livestock.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I only have two dictionaries, but both have male and female as both adjectives and nouns. In what dictionary are you seeing them only as adjectives?

Even dictionary.com has “noun: a male person” and “noun: a female person”, which goes directly against both your grammar point and your livestock point.

Hopefully you’re just a linguistic prescriptivist with a preferred dictionary that doesn’t match mine. Edit: removed a rude remark

That said, as a descriptivist, I accept that those words (as nouns or otherwise) are changing to sometimes be derogatory, so I try not to use them to describe people, just to avoid my intentions being misunderstood.

[–] Hazor@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just a thoughtless prescriptivist, repeating what I'd understood from previous such discussions, without having done my own due diligence. 🤷 I stand corrected.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Glad my suspicion was wrong, sorry for the rude comment!

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The main difference is that humans see other animals as purchasable or otherwise controllable and generally only refer to their sex when forcing them to breed. Women don't like the comparison.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I specifically remember the woman that complained that "female" was dehumanizing so that mostly tracks, but the issue with that perception is that people purchase male animals for breeding and people (men or women) who heard me using the same terminology never complained about the dehumanization of calling them males. I get that the social dynamics here are complicated of course. I suppose men typically are socialized to not care about being dehumanized or even perceive dehumanization as much. The asymmetry irks me.

I'll repeat that I don't use the terminology anymore for the sake of politeness but my thoughts remain nuanced on the matter. Where some see dehumanization, I see on the opposite end a coping mechanism in the form of a base level of romanticization. Implying we humans are free of our animal instincts or that we ought to be ashamed of the best aspects (IMO) of our animal nature.

Men who use the term "female" as a means to purposefully dehumanize are of course not only assholes but also annoying to me in the same way just inverted: I dislike debasing things that are neutral/positive for the sense of elitism or superiority. Or making something innocent and ordinary out to be crude and gross. I've never really related that well to men telling sex jokes for instance (and I've had some male friends who did that constantly and it annoyed me but I mostly just rolled my eyes at it).

I don't like crudeness at the same level as romanticization because that crude attitude also implies a sacredness that they're purposefully defiling. I don't like the implication of existing sacredness OR the desire to get under people's skin about it since that just contributes to the sense of taboo around sexuality and gender.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not at my keyboard so my reply will be more brief than I'd like. Unfortunately, connotations will always have a significant amount of contextual nuance, and human communication is absolutely full of it. I appreciate that you make an effort to not upset people, and understand how certain terms have been ruined by those mis-using phrases. It is absolutely frustrating when something should be neutral. But language itself conveys semantics and tone, it will be impossible to have everyone take even the most innocuous sentences as neutral, because unless you're lecturing facts, people will try to attach a purpose to your words.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

Just replying to show a genuine interest in a more fleshed out response from you when you are at a keyboard again, if you aren't up for writing more on it though, no worries.

[–] onion_trial@europe.pub 13 points 6 days ago

I had no idea that this term has a negative connotation to it. I knew it only as a very neutral, rational term. But when I literally translate it to my native language, then I'll start to understand it. Used in the given context, it's objectifying and degrading and I guess it's the same for English.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Seems like this is one of those things that women think will make men uncomfortable, but really winds up making their day because men are so starved of positive connection that even a neutral commentary on their life is refreshing because that means someone is paying attention to them.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't describe being called "unfuckable" neutral. But yeah they probably would like some level of attention, even the negative kind.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago

For the right person unfuckable can be an euphemism.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The word "female" should not be a negative. What a weird anti-intellectual direction this world is taking.

Might as well ban the word "cloud" next.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 6 days ago

It's one of those things that didn't use to be negative but has been hijacked by shitty people and now has negative connotations depending on context.

[–] Hazor@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's not the use of the word "female" itself, but the use of the word as a noun to describe a woman, because it is taken to imply that the woman is a mere object. As the other person who replied to you said: context matters.

I use the word "female" (and "male") every single day when documenting on my patients, e.g. my notes commonly begin with "Patient is xx years old, female, [...]." This is normal and no one would take issue with it, because it is using "female" as an adjective and in a context where the information is important.

[–] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

You wouldn’t want a narrator trying that on me. You’d be bored to tears.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 88 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I always find it weird when guys refer to girls as "females". I can't help but read it in a Ferengi voice.

"Females and finances don't mix. Rule of Acquisition 94."

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

My favorite thing about that is that, in DS9, a female ferenghi goes on to be the most successful leader of their people ever.

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[–] PoPoP@lemm.ee 74 points 1 week ago (25 children)

I think it's as weird and antisocial as the next guy to call women "females" but I also think it's weird that it's treated like not receiving approval from women is the worst possible thing that can happen to a man when implying that women need male approval is obviously sexist

[–] quack@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Personally I think that using sexual desirability as a point of ridicule is pretty toxic regardless of who is doing it and it's not going to help to solve the problem, but "not receiving approval from women" kind of is the worst possible thing that can happen for a lot of them, at least in their minds. The whole "men and females" thing has its roots in incel culture and they're well known to obsess over the tiniest facets of their interactions with women to the point of nausea, looking for any excuse to condemn women for not being attracted to them. They see not receiving approval from women as the ultimate condemnation of not only women, but also themselves. It's why people use it as an insult - it's effective against them.

[–] PoPoP@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

I really don't think making this about incels makes sense and I'll demonstrate why:

Woman calls me unfuckable -> I'm an incel

I call a woman unfuckable -> I'm an incel

There's little logical consistency around the topic and it's kind of just become a loophole to cancel morality when it comes to attacking men. I'm really careful with my wording to avoid triggering this response because if I do, people stop processing what I'm saying and they start dogpiling.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev -2 points 6 days ago

If I feel the need to use the word "female" in that way, I am not looking for approval. I am only looking to evade "girl"/"woman"/"lady" traps ^["trap" as in snare trap/ bear trap etc. not the other trap. Now this was another trap. You see what I am talking about?] and trying to be as less social and as robotic as possible.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Sounds ok to me (male).

"The male wakes up at 7am, so he can prepare for his office work; he's tired and being worn down, yet somehow remains resolute. In this way, he channels the spirit of the emperor penguin and endures."

Remember folks, the gender wars distract from the class wars we should all be engaged in!

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Remember folks, the gender wars distract from the class wars we should all be engaged in!

Excuse me but the class war IS a war against the patriarchy

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The male looks in the mirror and realizes he'll die alone. He tries to distract himself with glass rectangles.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh, fuck off.

I'm not using my glass rectangle just to be reminded of that.

[–] knightmare1147@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

The rectangle is mysterious and important.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

thank god i don't rate my value as a human to if someone else considers me fuckable or not.

that is ick and ew no matter which gender

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