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When "agents" without uniforms or identification or warrants, wearing masks, snatch people up and put them in unmarked vans to destinations unknown -- it's "disappearing."
It's a concentration camp.
The "inmates" are not supposed to survive this.
I mean how could they? There was no crime so no time can be served. And even if there would be a made up time after which they would get free, these people have been tortured. They won't be easily reintegrated into any society. They will be mentally unstable at best. Which country would take them?
This is a death sentence with torture on top. Without trial, without oversight and as we can see even the Supreme Court can't intervene.
And Trump wants more of them and to add "home grown" threats (US citizens) to the people who land there.
Seriously American media needs to stop calling this deportation. Stop enabling Nazis. Stop grooming us to accept Nazis
Legacy media is run by Nazis. It's Nazis all the way down.
Maybe not all of it...but certainly News Corp, Sinclair, and WaPo.
The definition of deporting does not specify that it must be to the country of origin. It is simply the expulsion of a foreigner from a country. No specific destination is needed.
This may seem pedantic, but words matter, and if you're starting your argument by trying to twist and change what words mean, then you're already weakening your point. Especially when you end your argument with GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT.
That's actually "banishment" or as you said, "expulsion"...but it's not "deportation". Deportation is a legal process, that does imply you get sent back to where you came from. It has never meant being sent to prison in a country you've never been to.
What Trump is doing, is definitely closer to human trafficking than anything else. There is a profit motive behind it.
It can be a legal process, and it may return you to your place of origin. Those aren't requirements though. Yeah, it's how the word is typically used and understood, but it is not strictly required.
I do agree we need to use more precise language here though, and deportation isn't it. It does technically fall under the definition of deportation, but it isn't as descriptive as it should be.
Some of my ancestors suffered through the Expulsion of the Acadians and that's widely referred to as a deportation, despite most Acadians not being "sent back where they came from".
I'm not sure your definition of deportation is widely accepted. None of the dictionaries I consulted mention any implications of deportations specifically referring to sending people to their country of origin.
My point was that deportation is a legal process. What Trump is doing, is bypassing that legal process altogether.
Yeah, in particular I know that being shipped from one Soviet Republic to a gulag in another was, and still is, referred to as being "deported, " e.g.
Isn't "kidnapping" part of this as well?
Totally is.
In German, i.e. the language of the work and death camps, Deportation is different from Abschiebung (≈off-pushing). Deportation in German still is associated with the Nazi regime, while Abschiebung is being normalised successfully.
AFAIK, during and after the Second World War, the anglophone world learnt about the German crimes at least partially through a German language lense, so my guess is that the English word deportation was mingled with the meaning of the German word Deportation and the meaning of banning individuals from a place after due process.
DTDC’d — Disappeared To Death Camp
I think it is okay to shorten it further. People are being DC'd or death camped.
I thought of that too, but to me DC means disconnected. Which in a way these people are disconnected
Yeah it absolutely works both ways
es desaparecido
Salvador is a concentration camp
Maybe it's also something else, but it is nonetheless deportation too, and the definition she gives is not correct. Words have meanings and you can't just pretend a different one to make a point.
It's also "sponsored flights"
You can twist words however you want. These aren't deportations, it's literally the first stage of ethnic cleansing
The spirit of the thing is what determines what word we use, not the definition of the word
What maybe confuses me is that the word deportation to me already has an intensely negative ring to it. Here in the Netherlands, if we hear the word deportation, I think most people instantly think of the Nazi-regime. Therefor I see no need for any other word to show how it's actually awful. But perhaps the situation in the US is different when it comes to what associations are stuck to these words.
I mean, the Netherlands deports people, everyone does. It certainly has negative connotations, but there's an implication of this being a process. Maybe not a fair process, maybe there's corruption, but you get some kind of chance to argue why you shouldn't be deported
This isn't that. Their taking people, many of them here legally, and rounding them up by proximity and skin color. Even citizens, though so far we have no known cases of citizens being held more than a few days.
They're holding them in inhumane ways that, by international definition, classify as torture. Then, for an indeterminate amount of time, they're shuffled around so no one knows where they are - no access to family, no access to lawyers
Finally, they're shackled, both hands and feet, and strapped into military cargo planes. Hopefully heading back to their home country, or at least somewhere where they speak the language
This isn't deportations. This is not the legal process and physical acts of removing someone from the county... This is something entirely different