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[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 173 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Tolkien also created complete Languages for each race of his stories.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 121 points 11 months ago

Sometimes I think he just liked world-building, and writing stories about his world came second.

[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 113 points 11 months ago

From reading his biography, it seemed he mostly liked creating languages and then crafted stories and worlds based off them.

Tolkien's the GOAT.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 11 months ago

He was a philology teacher, so that's indeed the case. You see it with how much details the language have, like real languages dialects and evolution. It was really his craft.

[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago

Philology Professor at Oxford, no less.

[-] leftzero@lemmy.ml 32 points 11 months ago

He only wanted to create languages, for fun... but he wanted to do it properly, so he needed full cultural backgrounds for his languages, including epic poetic sagas written in said languages... and to do that properly he needed a whole history of the world said languages and cultures had developed in... so the maniac built that. And then he wrote a children's book set in that world, for his kids, as one does.

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[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 23 points 11 months ago

They are called Paracosms. He was writting languages during his teens long before he got to stories.

Middle earth is the first item on the list of examples on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracosm

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

It’s not impossible! It’s fairly niche and finding others who appreciate it before the age of the internet would’ve been tough.

Modern Tolkien would’ve probably been part of the various conlang communities, doing challenges and whatnot.

[-] JoKi@feddit.de 30 points 11 months ago

Not only the languages but also an etymology for them to explain, how they developed.

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[-] scytale@lemm.ee 77 points 11 months ago

Frank Herbert: Giant sandworms lol. /j

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Frank Herbert: ... and dogs that are also chairs... rips bong... chairdogs

[-] Daqu@feddit.de 25 points 11 months ago

Duncan, Duncan, Duncan, Duncan

[-] Rwaterhouse@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

lol Herbert had some weird fantasy about a guy named Duncan from Idaho. Only explanation for some of that stuff.

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[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago

Frank Herbert is what happens when a genius writer takes too much shrooms while studying dunes. Like that is literally what happened.

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[-] deadh34d@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago

Fuckin Herbert just decided to write philosophy disguised as a sci-fi story lol

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 60 points 11 months ago

Tolkien is clearly the best, but I don’t have a problem with Martin borrowing from real-life history. History is incredibly cool, and full of amazing stories. Stealing from other authors is bullshit, though.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 56 points 11 months ago

Then you have the author of Twilight that started world building after the first book, created a number of characters with interesting background lore, then proceeded to do nothing with any of it.

[-] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 48 points 11 months ago

It's even worse than that - Twilight was originally fanfic for Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles series, so it's all just Lestat with a fake mustache and sparkles.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

And 50 shades was a Twilight fanfic...

[-] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 15 points 11 months ago

And Interview with the Vampire was fanfic based on a cross between Blacula and the David Frost interview of Richard Nixon...

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[-] Knightfox@lemmy.one 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To be fair the children's story came first. In that regard Tolkien and Rowling had something in common, their first books were written for a much younger and simpler audience. It wasn't until they took off commercially that the more adult and deep lore was developed.

EDIT: I'm wrong

[-] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

What? No. First was the story of Arda in a prototype version of the Silmarillon and Unfinished Tales.

[-] Knightfox@lemmy.one 14 points 11 months ago

Huh, interesting, I didn't realize Tolkien had started writing portions of the Silmarillion in 1914. I had to do some looking based on your response and learned something.

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[-] debil@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

Upvote because somebody online admitted they were wrong.

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[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 45 points 11 months ago

George Lucas: Let someone else handle it.

[-] Pistcow@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

as long as the broads are wearin' short skirts

[-] leftzero@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago

“There's no underwear in space.”

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[-] shaman1093@lemmy.ml 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Steven Erikson: here's a world that contains millennia of anthropologically grounded cultures that got spiced up by some interdimensional elves, orcs, gods & dragons that me and my buddy use to play D&D in, have fun reading through the eyes of over 1000 characters lol

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Erikson ruined fantasy novels for me. Book of the Fallen was the most challenging and rewarding read of my life. It made almost everything else feel like YA fiction.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

Also, fun fact: Tolkien converted C.S. Lewis to Christianity, who almost immediately disappointed him by adopting Anglicanism instead of Catholicism and then decided Tolkien's stories weren't Christian enough, so he basically wrote the Narnia books out of spite.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago
[-] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 12 points 11 months ago

Don't cite the deep lore to me witch

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

Tolkien is the best ever, but a lot of his stuff is inspired or ported directly from Catholicism.

[-] ElmarsonTheThird@feddit.de 22 points 11 months ago

This but also various mythological bits and pieces from England, because Tolkien wanted to create an English mythology akin to the Odyssey, Edda or Niebelungen.

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[-] Doug@midwest.social 15 points 11 months ago

Yeah, Martin learned the "cribbed from history" trick from Tolkien

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Its good stuff. We dont know history anyway.

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[-] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

A lot of that Catholicism stuff is just Christianity with local gods and figures retconed in using saints expansions.

And that whole Christian thing is just a Mediterraneanised/Latinized Zoroastrianism.

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[-] greenskye@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

It's all fanfiction all the way down from the original cave drawings anyway

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[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 months ago

GRRM wrote "Sandkings" which is one of my favorite novellas ever. He gets a pass from me.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 11 months ago

My bottom panel is getting swapped out for the husband and wife duo of K.A Applegate and the Animorphs books.

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

Writing world building is fun!

Writing actual fiction is boring and dull because if it's not a monomyth your editor is gonna removed about it

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[-] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

Yeah the Hobbit was the first book I ever read, at six years old, lucky me I became a lifetime nerd

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