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Bloodthirsty Western Propaganda being upvoted on GenZ. Comrades, be wary of this false narrative. This is a proxy war of the United States. Not a conflict "between two bourgeois countries" (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 2 years ago by KevinDurant@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml
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Be very of these false narratives which seek to bend the framework of reality towards a position in accord with the US Empire.

This is not "a conflict between two bourgeois countries". This is an abstract, undialectical analysis.

It is adapting the framework of Western Imperialists.

This is a complex conflict decades in the making, at it's core, it is a war between Russia and the Blood Empire.

The Ukrainian people are being used as a weapon by their bloodthirsty American masters.

I hope people here see how deceptive and devious this "both sides bad capitalists" narrative is.

It is poisonous to us communist communities, and it shows that western propaganda is very much able to spread on GenZedong.

Do not allow them to infiltrate our minds.

Godspeed comrades. o7

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[–] ThatCakeThough@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Western dogs infiltrating r/GenZedong to pacify it.

[–] KomradeKristian@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I never understood how people can call Russia “imperialist.” Russia doesn’t coup other nations’ democratically elected governments, doesn’t invade countries half way across the planet to maintain hegemony, etc. Russia is a capitalist oligarchy but it isn’t imperialist. The USA is the greatest imperialist power and the priority should be weakening it. The world will be free if the US is defeated, if Russia is defeated it will only make the US more powerful.

[–] SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly. Supporting Russia is the correct line, because Russia is an invaluable member of the modern day antiimperialist bloc led by China. If this bloc didnt exist then sure, its a conflict between 2 bourgeois states. But thats not the case, this is a conflict between the US, leader of the imperialist bloc, and Russia, ally of China, a socialist state, and member of the antiimperialist bloc. This is much more like WW2 than WW1, in that we should support a bourgeois state because of them being in alliance with socialist states.

[–] KevinDurant@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Looks like there are comrades amongst us here who insist Russia is being Imperialist, just below.

Seeing this in this community makes me feel sick.

[–] SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I agree. They dont know what imperialism is. Projecting power in other countries isnt imperialism. Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, its global monopoly capitalism, its the wholesale export of capital from the global north to the global south. Russia hasnt reached that stage yet, nor will reach it anytime soon, due to being unable to compete with the much stronger and much more developed US/EU imperialism.

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, it IS a conflict between two bourgeois countries. But that doesn't mean that one (Russia) isn't the obvious actor that should be supported.

[–] KevinDurant@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well then you cannot boil the conflict down to an abstract declaration of "conflict between two bourgeois countries"

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're right. Though I've talked to "communists" who actually believe Russia is on some path to reestablishing the USSR just because its a challenge to Western hegemony. So with every declaration that Russia is not imperialist, I think it's still worth reminding that they're not aspiring to be socialist either.

[–] KevinDurant@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are not aspiring to be ideologically socialism but their aspirations directly benefit the development of real, material socialism

So there is a material significance here, that is imperative in any analysis

[–] ComradeDrav@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yep, Russia serves as a temporary ally to all AES countries. Denying/disapproving this only serves to benefit the west.

[–] SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also the last r/GenZedong mod statement is cringe as fuck, but its not the mods fault. Reddit permabanned all mods who refused to put out such a statement. Liberal "free speech"

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Dammit i just went to read it since i missed it before, and it's... sad. Reddit can ban that sub for no reason anyway.

What's more infuriating than sad is some reactions in that thread.