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👀😐Even Elon doesn't think he's playing 4d chess. Not when Telsla stock is tanking (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] int_not_found@feddit.org 81 points 1 day ago (4 children)

A little reminder that Sun Tzu "The Art of War" is not some grand masterpiece in strategic thinking. It is a guide aimed at nobelmen that were so far removed from reality, that they needed to be told things like "You can't just order a win in a real competition" or "If you don't give your soldiers food, they become weak and die"

The reason, why his literature created such a cultural ripple, is that telling them these absolute basic things, massively improved there performance on the battlefield. Not because it made them a grand strategic thinker, but because they no longer acted like spoiled toddlers throwing toys around.

Saying someone is a Sun Tzu-level strategic thinker, means they have an absolute basic grasp on reality and nothing really more.

So either 4D Chess is much more simple than regular chess, or this knob doesn't know the things he's referencing.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So what you're saying is that upper management have always been flailng, narcissistic idiots.

[–] int_not_found@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes especially if the position is hereditary or the person is heavily sponsored by there rich parents

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Funnily enough we managed to make companies so much worse that the family owned medium sized (think a few hundred employees) companies run by the younger generation of the family often look better than the average company run by a CEO hired specifically for that role from a large pool of potential candidates. Most likely because they actually have some long-term thinking left.

[–] match@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago

The most absolutely insightful thing in the art of war is that cornered soldiers are going to fight to the death and give it their all, so 1) leave your opponents an exit and 2) get your own soldiers cornered on purpose

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Did Sun Tzu even write the thing about "never interrupt your enemy when he's ~~destroying himself~~ making a mistake"? Because that is pretty cool. Which of course does not reflect at all on this Xhitter idiot.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah that's generally attributed to Napoleon "Never interupt your enemy while he is in the process of making a mistake".

[–] Laser@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago

My copy of the book has this translation: "To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." which is not exactly the same, but in a similar spirit.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

A little reminder that Sun Tzu “The Art of War” is not some grand masterpiece in strategic thinking. It is a guide aimed at nobelmen that were so far removed from reality, that they needed to be told things like “You can’t just order a win in a real competition” or “If you don’t give your soldiers food, they become weak and die”

That's not really what the book says. It does go into strategy (though today it's rather inspiration than something to be followed to the letter).

Plus, while you make it seem trivial, logistics are really hard and must not be overlooked. It's like saying "Germany lost the Battle of Stalingrad because they didn't know that if you [edit: don't] give your soldiers food, they become weak and die!" like, they probably knew this, but their strategy lead to a situation where this happened.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That’s not really what the book says.

Yes, it literally is.

Chapter 9.29 and 30
When the soldiers stand leaning on their spears, they are faint from want of food
If those who are sent to draw water begin by drinking themselves, the army is suffering from thirst

logistics are really hard and must not be overlooked

Chapter 2.9
Bring war material with you from home, but forage on the enemy. Thus the army will have food enough for its needs

The entire Art of War can be printed on 4 pages of A4 paper if you remove all the fancy layout that usually goes into the book to pad it to something over 50.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When the soldiers stand leaning on their spears, they are faint from want of food If those who are sent to draw water begin by drinking themselves, the army is suffering from thirst

This refers to the enemy army, not their own – at least from my reading, these paragraphs are about observing signs about enemy plans and capabilities.

Bring war material with you from home, but forage on the enemy. Thus the army will have food enough for its needs

I mean, OK? My point was that the book is a strategic guide and not just obvious stuff noblemen don't know. But there is also plenty of other stuff in there, and as I said earlier, logistics are probably the most important aspect of modern conflict.

[–] int_not_found@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

I mean, OK? My point was that the book is a strategic guide and not just obvious stuff noblemen don't know. But there is also plenty of other stuff in there, and as I said earlier, logistics are probably the most important aspect of modern conflict.

Looks like I was a little too hyperbolic in my summary. Doesn't help, if two non-native speakers try to communicate in such a way. :D

Yes you are right. There is a good reason, why the booklet is widely known. No, I don't think logistics is easy.

I'm just having a chuckle about the use of "Sun Tzu level" in the post, where it is used as a metaphor for being smarter than everyone else. While the book referenced is a dated beginner-level introduction to the subject of military strategy.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

if you give your soldiers food, they become weak and die

Something tells me that is not what you meant to write here.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Depends who's cooking, could just be a great insult

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[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

QAnon bullshit level mental gymnastics flashbacks

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't even get the logic. What's the endgame exactly? And for who?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

To release the Epstein files that they are sure only features Democrats.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 106 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Imagine wasting your life by worshiping the rich.

Everybody who has worked with Musk says that he has to be distracted when he goes to Tesla, SpaceX, or whatever, because otherwise, he'll just cause problems for the adults who are actually working. He has no idea how to run a business, and basically just publicly lies to inflate the value of his businesses, and relies on the fact that there are no consequences for rich people lying.

Every semi-intelligent person who has worked with Trump says that he's one of the dumbest people they've ever met.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

One key to massive financial success in the United States is being too stupid to worry about the consequences of fraud and having enough money that you can likely avoid those consequences. Trump and Musk are just the luckiest two of a large group of rich idiots.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 27 points 1 day ago

What a meme conspiracy. Unfortunately not the only one, and not the only person spreading such stuff in earnest.
A much flogged image, but this is the only comment I can muster:
conspiracy red string

Meh.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 67 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Ok, so let's assume they are playing 4D chess. What's the objective? Creating a distraction before releasing the Epstein files? That's what all this is for?

That's not 4D chess. That's a clown show with smoke bombs.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Could be just bump and dump on tesla stock tbh

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Not for Elon, he's leveraged to the hilt on his stock. This is no bueno for Elon.

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[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I suppose Elon is feeling cornered.

The reputation of Tesla has never been lower and he’s at risk of getting kicked out. The future of SpaceX is uncertain under Trump. His role in the government didn’t pan out.

So I guess his only hope is to get Trump out of office as soon as possible. Maybe the next one will be less hostile against Elon.

I don’t think he will succeed. The cult of Trump is too strong. Elon is done for.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This all assumes the data Musk’s goons stole (and the star link antennas he installed to keep stealing it), isn’t plenty to keep musk in control of the government. They literally went there to set up the shadow government that they’d been dreaming and projecting about.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

This MAGA xhitter retreats into heavy copium mode because they just cannot allow themselves to see what is really happening rn.

And what better copium than another outrageous conspiracy narrative.

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[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 73 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They’re both playing 4D chess, but I’m not convinced they aren’t just eating the pieces.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

One's eating Crayons, the other is sniffing glue

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

4D just means not flat, and progressing in time. So every pigeon plays 4D chess!

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

what narrative even. his conspiracy theory is just that he is releasing the secret pedo stuff, but with extra steps?

conspiracy theorists used to come up with cooler stuff.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

I thought we were headed for hunger games and instead we're getting the IFC version of Brazil.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

Now that is some serious copium.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tesla share plunge amid Trump feud wipes $152bn off Elon Musk’s company

[–] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

How much can it drop before banks come collecting on his loans?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can't see what the man is claiming the end game is, honestly don't have a clue.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I don't think he does either. But gotta keep the fan base clicking. Otherwise this mf is a no body.

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[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its the fabled 5th D.

[–] whatyousaidontwitter@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Lol at that reply

[–] TimeTracelParadox@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To what end?

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago

That's the neat part. There isn't one.

[–] HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Playing doesn’t mean winning.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

but the only people who care about the epstein files are dingbat conspiracy theorists who already support trump.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

That's not true, I want to know who is in them.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you sure?

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

i mean most people know epstein is shit and know powerful people are involved but the ones screaming about the files are mostly twitter bubble types.

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