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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Restarts into Grub which autos to Linux and when I go back to Windows it's all pissy at me.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

It's why they remove grub with their own thing during windows updates

[–] chrizzly@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Exactly this! Having to wait for the actual update to finish and finally let me select the option in the GRUB menu.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There is an option to default to the GRUB entry you chose last. I didn’t know that either until Manjaro used it.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago

*reads this using Linux

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago (24 children)

I have never had my computer completely restart after selecting "Update and shutdown", sure, it will reboot once or twice during the update cycle, but it has always ended with a full shutdown.

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

And here am I, never experienced Windows to "just shut down". It always restarted in the old days when I used to use Windows.

[–] polle@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

It looks like people do not understand the windows update process where it restarts and then updates some more and shutdown after that.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Unpopular opinion: The most-used operating system in the world must automatically apply security updates, eventually even overriding user preference if people never restart.

Right now it’s Windows. If someday it’s Ubuntu, they should do it too. If they don’t, we’d see giant botnets of every computer that people don’t want to update, all compromised by exploits.

To be clear, this doesn’t excuse MS for abusing this update cycle to push shitty products or AI features.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago (9 children)

for me, a good test of whether i own something or not is to see if your device forces you to update. I'm sure 90% people using computers understand the security implications of not updating and not rebooting, they just have work they need to do now and rebooting the computer would make it go away.

we really need to stop babying users. If they fuck their own system up, it's on them. give them warnings, sure. Give them heads up. but don't take it into your own hands to protect someone who doesn't want protecting.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If users cared about security or privacy, even in the slightest, they'd be using Linux. That's the other few percent. Ubuntu Livepatch solves any problem from automatic updates, I think Linux will eventually support this and then automatic updates by default. But on Windows? Not a chance.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You cannot live patch everything and also linux doesn't run everything

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, it’s the same situation as vaccine mandates. You’re hoping that it’s a perfect system of karma that reflects upon the user, but it’s not. Someone practices bad security or bad personal health, and it might not necessarily be them that suffers the most. (Botnet victims come in wide varieties)

I think owning your own device is a great ideology and I want to promote it however possible; I just don’t feel comfortable pushing that over general worldwide computer safety.

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[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Has that ever helped with massive Windows botnets?

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