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This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.

This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.

Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?

Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

You forgot the worst one: Putin, age 72 years.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Trump and Netanyahu are both worse.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago
[–] jellygoose@lemmy.ca -1 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 22 minutes ago (1 children)

If anyone needed further evidence that "tankie" just means "anyone to the left of the US Democrats", I present the above.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 17 minutes ago (1 children)

How is defending one fascist leader as less evil than two others left of anything?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 minutes ago

So the person defending Trump and Netanyahu as less evil than Trump is a tankie as well? Or are you just a hypocrite?

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 14 points 14 hours ago

Ah yes, blame all three even though its been clearly israel and Netanyahu who have been beating the war drums for 30+ years. Israel has been talking about Iran developing a nuke for 30 years and saying that "its around the corner". Israel did the same with Iraq btw and dragged the US to war.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Peak liberal both sidesism. Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good, Iran bad. This is a big part of why we have genocide against palestinians and trump in office.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

Where did you read "USA good" in that post?

[–] nyamlae@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good

You are either being dishonest or have bad reading comprehension. The OP clearly labels Trump as part of the problem, alongside Netanyahu and Khameini. They also blame Israel for escalating with Iran when talks were still ongoing. They are not saying what you claim they are.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 54 minutes ago

I think it's probably that Americans only do this "both sides are to blame" when their side is the one to blame

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

Lol. What about the millions that got them into office in the first place? It's not a gender issue. It's a human nature one - acting out their insecurities by lashing out at the perceived enemy.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 30 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Trust The Guardian to "both-sides" a blatant war of aggression and just completely fail to mention the massive genocide Israel is carrying out.

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[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 24 points 22 hours ago

False equivalencies.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago

The Zygon Inversion - A Transcript of The Doctor's Speech [edited for brevity]

The Doctor: You just want cruelty to beget cruelty. You're not superior to people who were cruel to you. You're just a whole bunch of new cruel people. A whole bunch of new cruel people, being cruel to some other people, who'll end up being cruel to you. The only way anyone can live in peace is if they're prepared to forgive. Why don't you break the cycle?

Bonnie: Why should we?

The Doctor: What is it that you actually want?

Bonnie: War.

The Doctor: Ah. And when this war is over, when -- when you have the homeland free from humans, what do you think it's going to be like? Do you know? Have you thought about it? Have you given it any consideration? Because you're very close to getting what you want. What's it going to be like? Paint me a picture. Are you going to live in houses? Do you want people to go to work? What'll be holidays? Oh! Will there be music? Do you think people will be allowed to play violins? Who will make the violins? Well? Oh, You don't actually know, do you? Because, just like every other tantruming child in history, Bonnie, you don't actually know what you want. So, let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and it's all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers. How are you going to protect your glorious revolution from the next one?

. . .

The Doctor: This is a scale model of war. Every war ever fought right there in front of you. Because it's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered! How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning -- sit down and talk! Listen to me, listen. I just -- I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It's just a fancy word for changing your mind.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

damn they just pretend the UK is not the country that fuel Jets over Iraq to facilitate the bombing. Or it is not the UK base in Cyprus and vessels that provide a command center and communication tool to facilitate the mission.

If you want to attack Iran and accelerate to a wwiii don't shy from telling the truth about your involvement, we know it, you know it ...

[–] PlagueShip@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

The thing is, there are people who need to be killed, and we just can't agree on who. And the people who say no one are the worst of all. Let's make some progress in this world.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 84 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Don't forget Putin...

Fuck thes old, power-hungry war-mongering pieces of excrement. Their death will be celebrated by millions.

Please put an age restriction on politicians, it would solev sooo much nonsense.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Please put an age restriction on politicians, it would solev sooo much nonsense.

While I partially agree on this, let's consider some cases:

  • Hitler's reign 1933-1945, his age: 44-56
  • Stalin 1922-1952, age 44-74
  • Putin 2000-?, age 48-?
  • Pol Pot 1963-1981, age 38-56
  • Louis XIV 1643-1715, age 5-77 or 16-77 if you count coronation as the start (sacre bleu jesus fuck)

Youth is clearly not enough. Age limit + term limit might be a useful combination, but it all falls down when you allow somebody to just grab all power anyway and reset all the rules and limits.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 12 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (8 children)

Putin is by far the worst one.

Neither Netanyahu nor Khamenei have the capacity for war the way the other 2 have.

And Putin already has achieved what Trump wants to achieve: being a dictator with full control of the state.

Oh how much the world would improve is all 4 of them suddenly get a bullet between the eyes.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 49 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)

Putin is by far the worst one.

Only if your belief that white lives are far more valuable than non-white lives

[–] shroomato@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

They would immediately get replaced with someone just as bad if not worse. The world has an endless supply of power hungry warmongering assholes.

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