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Misadventures in Philosophy (lemmy.world)
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[-] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 95 points 1 year ago

This is not statistically true at all. Women do not report having orgasms when they are raped. That’s why estimates vary wildly. Because they are estimated based on almost no data other than some people claiming that women don’t report orgasming during their rapes because they’re ashamed. And then these dudes say most women MUST orgasm from rapes, because these guys are fucked up.

Estimated range from 4% to over 50 percent. This does not by any means make this statistically true.

[-] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 76 points 1 year ago

Also, you cannot outweigh the trauma of rape with a goddamn orgasm. 4chan is completely lost.

[-] LoamImprovement@ttrpg.network 29 points 1 year ago

Like, even within the bounds of the 'thought experiment,' the good lasts maybe a couple minutes if it even happens and the bad lasts an entire fucking lifetime, of course OP is going to get shouted out of class, the shit falling out of his mouth would make his ass jealous.

[-] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

When was 4chan ever not lost?

[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

From what I understand those who have orgasmed during a sexual assault often have to deal with unique traumas. Because orgasm can be for some strictly a physiological reaction to someone randomly hitting the correct stimuli there's a lot of confusion and turmoil for the person unwillingly experiencing it. A common reaction is for folk to believe themselves sinful, dirty, or utterly betrayed by their own body for having that reaction.

So it sounds like overall an increase in lingering mental trauma not any kind of offset.

[-] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

You're absolutely right, I worded my comment badly

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 1 year ago

There are legit criticisms of Utilitarianism but this ain't one of 'em, bud. Why do you have to reach for rape as your very first argument?

[-] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 31 points 1 year ago

This is really just someone asking, "How can I be an edgelord and trigger the normies within the confines of utilitarianism?"

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

He's just asking questions, amirite?

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Utilitarianism is important because it’s a great introduction to the world of philosophy, not because it’s a valid endpoint for anyone’s worldview.

[-] ccdfa@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Imo a better into to philosophy is the Trial and Death of Socrates. I think seeing the Socratic method is a great way to introduce this idea that we can question everything. Moving forward in class that's what we'll be doing, so I think it's nice to have that conversation with students right away.

[-] cardboardchris@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago

former philosophy instructor here. that's exactly what I used to do with my introduction to philosophy courses.

[-] youRFate@feddit.de 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol that’s like saying kidnapping is okay bc people enjoy the view out of the backwindow of the van.

Apart from his statistics being bullshit obviously.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

No, you don't understand. There's also free candy.

[-] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Contrary to popular belief, there usually isn't any candy at all.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

But there will be puppies, right?

[-] HerbalGamer@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

throw in some kittens and you've got yourself a deal.

[-] havokdj@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In neckbeard russia, you are kitten.

[-] PixxlMan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ooh! I was worried and having second thoughts... But this changes everything!

[-] joystick@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A thousand units of emotional trauma vs maybe 2 units of sexual pleasure. Anon's math is off.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

What's the exchange rate?

[-] goa_mpu@feddit.de 43 points 1 year ago

1 in 10 women experience orgasm during a rape?

Who conducted that study? The Association of Rapists?

Seriously. Holy Shit!

[-] Aganim@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

I've read about a study where they concluded that an orgasm in this case is a purely physical reaction and does not mean that the victim enjoyed being raped.

It is actually a cause for extra trauma, as victims now have to deal with the shame and stigma of having seemingly felt enjoyment even while that was not the case.

So please think again before posting something like this, this 'orgasm must be enjoyment' rationale only helps rapists excuse their deeds while further traumatising their victims.

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago

Anon performs an ostracisation speedrun to no one's surprise.

[-] thrawn@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Everyone already commented on the pragmatic parts so, can I just say, fucking hell. I hate that these guys find some level of acceptance for thoughts like this and feel safe saying it out loud.

[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

He could've brought up the utility monster, but noo, let's rape every woman instead ffs.

[-] ChexMax@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

They did some study a while back saying only 1 in 10 women experience orgasm during a one night stand. If only 10% get there when mutual pleasure is the point of the interaction you'd have to be insane to believe any statistics above 10 (and in my opinion unreasonable to believe anything close to 10%).

[-] Kjatten@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Anon is completely oblivious of their own insanity. Says insane stuff. Shocked when others call him insane.

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