Ignoring all the other obvious issues... How would this even work if these gestapo fuckers are rounding people up at Home Depot and court houses and routine traffic stops? These farms will just continue to bleed legal and undocumented migrants, regardless of whether they're directly raiding a farm.
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Oh... So... Slavery, then? But, you know, without calling slavery outright.
Lets see how long it will take some red neck farmers to abuse the system and threaten their workers with "work more or I will get you deported" kind of threats.
That's been reported already. Already happened.
well I guess that will now start happening to legal immigrants as well since being a legal immigrant does not stop ICE from kidnapping you apparently
Sort of always been that way. Most of our immigrant purges have been.
It's really hard to tell someone's legal status just from looking at them, but most people can identify a race on sight alone.
That’s already been happening for a hundred years.
Slavery. It’s called slavery.
Heinous country. Imagine being such a horrible place that you mistreat the ones that feed you.
I'm all for shitting on my shit country, but mistreating farmers is pretty common globally
That’s just slavery with extra steps.
So slaves?
Yeah, not surprised at the Orange Blunder finding a way to bring back slavery. Oh his cronies will think up a different name for it, but soon these poor people will be segregated and counted as ⅗ of a person for purposes of population counting when drawing up political districts.
At this rate we are going to end up with Civil War 2 Electric Boogaloo before Christmas...
Edit: Correction of fractions, the historical amount was ⅗, not ⅕.
They're illegal they aren't counted now. Why would they start counting them?
Um Ackshually, the Census is supposed to enumerate all persons living in the US, regardless of citizenship status, and that enumeration is supposed to be directly used by the Federal Government to apportion Congressional seats. So they are already counted, or at least they're supposed to be.
The first Trump Administration was in charge of the last census, and tried to get a question added asking directly about citizenship status. It got squashed in the courts, because citizenship status is not supposed to matter, and the only effect that would have is to have non-citizens avoiding the census.
The whole point of the 3/5 compromise wasthat enslaved humans were considered to be worth 60% of a non-enslaved human for census purposes.
3/5 was a compromise… Orange will round down to the nearest whole number
1/5th? Worse than slaves.
Your right, I double checked the number and I misremembered, it should be ⅗ not ⅕.
Okay, so what the fuck do these numbers mean? I seriously dont know and I Am kinda afraid of what they might mean.
I want to berate you if you were raised in the US and don’t know.
That said if you are younger than me in some states it’s been deemed un important over the last 20 years
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Compromise
This is referred to as “The Great Compromise”
Slave holding states wanted slaves to count for the census and free states saw that as un fair. So slaves got to count as 3/5ths of a person and everybody won! /s
I Am not from the US, but still thanks for the info. This is like the prime example to why "centrism" is actually just defending the status quo.
My official guess for the name of this new slavery program is the "Essential Guest Worker" bill/order.
Why not "Substantial Labour Addition Verification Edict"?
I've said it before but before I die I fully expect to see some sort of "Right to Labor" (or something) law where companies can press unemployed people into "employment" for prison wages.
No, brand it the way he likes, call it "Trump Slaves".
Farmers: "All hail King Donald! He solved the problem he himself caused! What a business GENIUS!"
Face Eating Leopards: "Munch! Chew! Nom!"
Ahh, yes.
I think the U.S. used to have a system where the farmers assumed responsibility for people who weren't citizens but worked for them.
What was that called again?
What was that called again?
sTaTeS riGhTs!
3/5ths
that was for actual citizens
that was for ~~actual citizens~~ property
Fixed it for you.
If the labor that is necessary for feeding people can't exist without undocumented workers, then perhaps the system itself is fundamentally broken if there is no easy path to citizenship.
You cannot have it both ways, Trump. Either it's easy to come here and get papered up and nobody gets deported (and he loses his ultimate scapegoat), or it's just as hard as it is now and we deport everyone working the fields and starve.
He can have it both ways. He is just going to say the farmers are heros for "taking the risk" and "protecting us all" from the violent cohort that is required to get our food to table now. Immigrants can be the enemy even more than ever, his base gets to eat up a new form of cognitive dissonance like a brain tumor, all will be well this time next year for them.
Oh, so like visa sponsorship? The thing that already exists?
No, you don't understand. This will have the Trump name, so it's different.
-Idiots
It will be worse, because in the very vague details as this is being discussed, this will formally tie them to an employer, so they won't be able to seek employment that doesn't hire "illegals", and basically lets employers deport people.
A visa is a contract between the immigrant and the state, with the employer acting as a third party, not as an intermediary. This is indentured servitude, basically formalising the current system where these people are allowed in as long as they are only used to undercut local wages, but they can't seek their own happiness and freedom.
They're all just making shit up as they go along, aren't they?
Not exactly made up. Slavery is a real thing.
I meant in terms of 'policy decisions'. They change with the wind.
Has a single one of these ~~plantation~~ farm owners been arrested for employing the undocumented workers?
Nope. They hire these people then call ICE on them when it's payday. They got the fruits picked and didn't have to pay a dime.
Yeah except the Visa program they use is tied to their employment. Big Ag has been holding people basically as indentured slaves, forcing them to live on the farm. Any disagreement, or refusal to perform as the owner wants and their status is void and they get sent back. The government has known for YEARS about this happening. Always turned a blind eye, and now they have removed any avenue to permanent legal status in the US from that very visa program. So, want to live, or flee from oppression to the US? Well, now they'll oppress you.
Source
Invidious: https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=1COm0C73CKw Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1COm0C73CKw
TACO again. Faced with collapse of the food bowl which was obvious…..
TACO
I would prefer the government to implement universal healthcare, and to make immigrants have it if they and their workplace are documented. Voila, we get rid of the REAL parasites: employers that pay less than minimum wage. It isn't the migrants fault that companies are crappy stewards of civilization.
H-2A Visa... Is literally that. This program wouldn't be "new".
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