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My family are mostly Democrat voting liberals and I identified as one for years. When I was in 5th grade I spent more time with my Fox News-watching grandparents and became a Republican for like a year or 2 and became an apolitical lib for a while. From like 2015-2019 I was a Bernie bro who had some objectively shit takes. The biggest 180 I did was probably on the sex trade. I used to be for it as a horny teen like “huh? Did someone say SeX?? Well it’s all ConSeNsUAL so why cockblock someone from getting some PuSsY?” Obviously now I realize that’s a disgusting sentiment and that most people in the industry are not happy and would rather do anything else. Just because a few are happy with their line of work, it doesn’t make it right to force so many others into a position where they feel abused and humiliated or threatened. “Legitimacy of industry” in terms of prostitution always means lining the pockets of abusive pimps (physical or anything else) who will use the opportunity to get rich and usually fund illegal markets (source: Look at Nevada). Enough about me, what topics have become more clear to yall after becoming a communist? I could probably list a few others but I’m interested in seeing what yall say.

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[–] vehicom@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hmm for me a pretty recent 180 i took was on Deng Xiaoping. I was a commie but I really wasn't super educated on the state of AES(even though i am part of the chinese diaspora) and was always under the impression that it was capitalism. That deng xiaoping turned china capitalist. Probably not really as big of an 180 as some other people here but really learning about china was really inspiring and restored my hope in the world ig. I feel way more patriotic towards china right than amerikkka.

Thinking of possibly doing my master's in china after my undergrad.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago

Unworming yourself from the hegemonic propoganda related to AES/NK/China is a difficult one to do comrade, it took me actually meeting people from China to understand this fully.

[–] givemeyourtoothbrush@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The European Union. I used to think it was a somewhat flawed but reformable stepping stone to a more just and strong European (liberal) democracy. After becoming a Marxist it seems obvious now it is a neoliberal power structure with some pro's for the common people (Schengen Area), but so many more ways for the ruling class to get their way (that same Schengen Area facilitating cheap labor and trade).

While a socialist pan-European organization would be amazing, it is laughable to think the EU is just slightly flawed or even reformable into this. Like parliamentary politics itself, the EU has some limited uses as a platform to us socialists and anti imperialists (Clare Daly, Mick Wallace), but limited they truly are due to its inherent neoliberal nature. State and Revolution was a great book that really put me into the ML view on Marxism, and taught me that existing power structures like the EU can not be reformed to serve the working class.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd have to say the same. The EU is nothing but an institution by and for capital. Ironically I remember my first real encounter with "EU bad actually" came from a Brexit leaver perspective, but that doesn't mean they're not wrong.

Since then I have come to the conclusion that the EU has successfully achieved with the pen what the Nazis failed to achieve with the sword, namely intra-European imperialist relations.

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Seeing how the EU handled 2008 really made that last bit clear

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Same, i though it's the run of the mill succdem org but the one that ultimately work for the members benefits and posing some hope for multipolar world, especially when it was closing to Russia and China some years ago. Reading Marx and Lenin make me seriously doubt its purpose. Year 2022 moved me to "EU delenda est".

Around 2019, on China. I was like "not real socialism and it opress minorities". Holy shit thanks Chapo.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I used to be a heavy meat eater who said that 'I could never abandon meat'. Until I actually tried abandoning meat and I haven't gone back since. It's easy, cheap, healthy and I learned to cook many different things now.

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[–] JK1348@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I respect all sex workers But the economy of sex work is something I've had a complete 180 on. It's not an industry that should be enabled under the current capitalist parameters.

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Same. I used to think this is simply, "sex workers are the ones carrying all the risk and harm, so only their opinion matters. sex worker organisations call for full decriminalisation. /thread"

Until I learned decriminalisation of sex work in the first world leads to increased human trafficking from the Global South: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X12001453#s0045

To put it bluntly, brown women who would otherwise lead their normal lives, are kindapped and smuggled to be raped by white men, in large numbers, whenever a first world country decriminalises prostitution.

This works both ways - criminalising prostitution reduces human trafficking, as shown above in the case study.

People trafficked from the Global South are completely marginalised and poweless, they don't have a voice. The voices we hear, calling for decriminalisation, are mostly from self employed Westerners. And while I genuinely do care about their right to safer work conditions, for me it doesn't trump the right of brown women to not be kidnapped and raped by white men.

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[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The idea that the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a horrific but sadly necessary evil to end the war. Endless propaganda got to me and I never put to much thought into it.

I learned the history and found out that it was all a lie. Japan was ready to surrender, they were finished, the attack was senseless evil power projection.

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[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm new to learning about a loooot of stuff. I used to support Ukraine's side at the beginning of the war

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago

Good for you for getting out of that. Not a lot of people are capable.

[–] WayneBarloweFan@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago

Fucking everything lately. I understand now most of the people we call leftists online are historically-illiterate historical extremists speedrunning the 2nd International in the midst of a golden opportunity to live new history lol

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

That the Holocaust was an aberration. If anything it was a continuation of what came before.

Maybe this has long been clear to some of you but it's been interesting for me coming to this conclusion. I went to school in Canada, where we of course learned about the settlement and colonization of Canada, but in a "oh this was bad but it was a long time ago and for the most part the white people didn't know any better." It was also always the British or French colonists doing these horrible things, once Canada requested independence a few unimportant treaties may have been broken but all in all everything's fine now. Well except for residential schools, but that was an honest mistake. And except for unbelievably awful living conditions on native reserves, that's their own fault. So goes the state written and approved school curriculum, of course they can't admit to their generations long history of crimes.

Of course the colonists and later the US and Canadian governments knew exactly what they were doing. They killed about a hundred million people on purpose.

Around the same time during high school I took a course that focused on the Holocaust, with material written by a Zionist NGO, basically placing the Holocaust as the pinnacle of crime against humanity to which nothing can compare.

And that's all while ignoring colonial atrocities in the global south, as I've only really started learning about those as a part of my journey into ML.

[–] su25@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

AI. even as a communist, i thought that we could just make minor progress in AI research and then overthrow capitalism and have socialist AI which will be awesome. but after seeing the internet polluted with AI-created drivel (that "internet is mostly bots" theory might be true in all honesty...the capitalists would absolutely do something like that to make the internet look more populated because a lot of industries now rely on the internet) and ben shapiro using AI generated fake images to fuel hate against palestine, i want to see AI completely gone. i despise it. if i had the choice to destroy AI and LLMs and all that shit, i would. and i say this as someone in a field that is currently seeing some fledgling AI implementation.

[–] AdmiralDoohickey@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shits fucked, I am searching for a software engineer job and I stumbled upon a job listing that offered 50k USD a year. The job wasn't about actually coding, but about overseeing the training process of an AI that generates code. They will pay you more that x5 of what my teacher parents make in order to train your replacement, it makes me fucking mad

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't leave my house anymore ever since cops tried sneaking me with weapons drawn for going for a jog in the springtime. That day, I went from "reform the police" to "fuck the police, I'll shoot back."

[–] JK1348@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

LAPD shot someone on my block two weekends ago, he was asking to die (he was saying he wanted to be shot by witness accounts), and was flaunting something at them. But he was clearly distressed and to see one of my people laid out bleeding under their truck with their working supplies piled on the back.... Well its an image in my brain reminding me that I'm one mental breakdown from the same fate

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[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Honestly I'm not really sure. Most of my "stances" before I became a communist were uninformed because like every other person living in Amerikkka, we're indoctrinated to believe the lies of the empire.

As a kid up till I got into college I was mostly apolitical (as much as a Black person can be) aside from thinking Bush Jr was a fucking idiot and that Amerikkka shouldn't be acting like the world's policeman and telling others what to do. When Obama became president I (like other uninformed Black folks) celebrated cause we finally had someone that looked like us in the White House so no more racism (lmao)!

Wasn't until the BLM protests that started in 2014 (ironically during the Obama administration) that I became woke (the REAL, OG woke) and realized that this country was not built for people who look like me. Also around that time I was on my own in the world of capitalist Amerikkka and the struggles I went through made me question why things like food, housing and education can't be free.

It wasn't until 2016 that I actually became active on social media during Bernie's campaign, and I was hooked by the idea of free education and a higher minimum wage, etc. When he got fucked by the Democratic Party I was so pissed, I voted Green Party that year cause I really believed in Jill Stein (the only fucking party that had reparations as a part of their platform) and ended up rubbing shoulders with actual communists (they called themselves "watermelons", green on the outside but red on the inside). This was when I discovered leftbook...I could write an entire post about my experience with leftbook...ugh.

That aside, I was a anarcho-communist cause I thought anarchism was cool but after learning more about the Black Panthers I dropped the anarcho and just became an ML and pretty much never looked back.

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I voted Green Party that year cause I really believed in Jill Stein

Stein is more of a comrade of mine than many so-called communists who call her a quack or a fraud.

How many of us have been kidnapped and interrogated by the fucking FBI for posing a threat to the oil industry?

I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Baraka as well. If Stein is a comrade, he's a goddamn comrade. I will never forget shaking that man's hand.

[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Of course they had no chance cause of how bourgeois elections work but it was the first time I was really excited about politics cause I actually knew what was going on.

Never voted again after that lol.

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[–] Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 year ago

Any positive opinion of USA if I even had one before.

[–] Adhriva@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

There have been a couple of times my worldview has collapsed, and I took better/more accurate positions afterward.

  1. That I was male, with a considerable amount of low-key sexism and not-so-low-key queerphobia thrown in. That was a hell of a shakeup, and probably responsible for the spark that started the rest.
  2. I was raised an evangelical bible thumper and oooohhh boy, does that carry some hefty baggage—ranging from Isreal being -THE- holy land, Evolution is a lie, and those godless, evil queer commies have it coming. So much cringe. Karma is not without a sense of humor.
  3. Was a right-wing Libertarian, very interested in military theory, military history, and was offered full scholarships to military colleges type. Was, unfortunately, definitely on the proto-fascist track politically. Although it did result in reading my first book on any kind of communist thinking in the form of SOVIET MILITARY STRATEGY by Vasiliĭ Sokolovskiĭ.
  4. The Hollywood, mainstream Western storytelling methods are the best/key/correct/fundamentals of the craft. This happened around the time I started becoming a communist. With all the liberal assumptions modern storytelling makes/requires, I had to re-evaluate and relearn my career craft completely. This is the only one I openly talk about because it can be presented as a safe topic in all circles, isn't as cringe to admit to, and ML Narrative Theory is unfortunately not touched on that much—especially here in the West. And I believe it's one of our great weaknesses because we have little to challenge the subtle and constant torrent Hollywood and mainstream entertainment douses us with. This is a shame because storytelling is humanity's evolved mechanism for sharing our experiences navigating life—we should have this tool in our toolbox. Maybe I should post some lecture/essay posts on narrative theory, how it relates and connects to ML theories, and how it breaks away from Hollywood's simplistic formulas...
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[–] Jusog@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I am a 5th year Animation student, currently working on my group's and mine second 3d animation short so far. It's anti-capitalist in its message, but I rly wonder how the storytelling could be different in a marxist direction. Obv we weren't exactly taught to create communist films (tho we got at least one communist teacher.) Either way, I'll take anything you can give me o.O

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[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Non-Gommunism GrainEater?? I don’t believe that such a thing is even possible.

[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

once upon a time 😔

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[–] TheCommunismButton@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I used to think that all ideas, even potentially harmful ones, should be free to spread so they could be defeated in the "marketplace of ideas."

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Me too.

I later learned that was a mistake because the best ideas don't usually win, only the ideas with the most immediate appeal for the audience, no matter how short-sighted or destructive. I'd be like a supermarket expecting vegetables to be its biggest sellers instead of candy, energy drinks, and junk food.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

That's a good analogy.

Also, me too. I was the libbest of JS Mill-Keynesian libs and thought that if only we could secure liberal values/rights, we could instigate a welfare state for all and keep it, this time. What a muppet. My 180° shift began when a Marxist friend said, but redtea, how will you convince everyone else to voluntarily pay high taxes to pay for it all?

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[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was a teenage anarchist. You can imagine I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things 😂

[–] roux@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My brother legit has an A tattoo on his arm and now he's a chud libertarian/fascist.

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I once argued against Makan in favor of PCUSA. Now that I know they’re open patsocs with no understanding of Marxist philosophy I bash them any chance I get.

Another thing is that I used to say I hated coconut but now like it a lot.

Theres a lot more that I can’t think of.

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[–] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

well...

-after reading marx, communism doesn't sound "utopic"

-commerce =/= capitalism

-and more

[–] HaSch@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Anti-China and Doomerism. From around 2014-2019, I was a Maoist and I thought socialism was never to come back after the fall of the Soviet Union; and if it was, it was going to be too late. Thankfully, it was around that time that I noticed that China was doing a lot of really based stuff, including but not limited to its efforts in reforestation and installation of renewable energy. I gradually came to support China, I realised it has a grand plan for the future with which came to be on board and whose milestones it is meeting or exceeding, and with China's unstoppable rise my hopes for the world returned; we just might not be as fucked as I thought before. I don't know how I had been able to pull my brain through the war coverage of Donbass and Palestine had I kept worrying about China instead of finding solace in it.

Also, around the same time I went from criticising someone for watching anime to joining an anime club, and from failing analysis 2 to tutoring it

[–] Jusog@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia being the bad one in the war with Ukraine. I used to tell my mother, that one can totally be against both Russia and the US, and I just didn't get how she could talk abt them defending themselves from Nato and so on.

And then I became a dirty lil Commie.

Also the term "Tankie". I rly thought (due to influencers like NFKRZ) that tankies were stupid ppl who didn't understand history or so... AND THEN I BECAME A TANKIE - Proudly so.

[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

sounds like you have a cool mother

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I know a lot of sex workers and the "abusive pimps" narrative doesn't ring true to me. They're doing it coz it beats driving Uber.

[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (10 children)

They're doing it coz it beats driving Uber.

Uber is abusive as fuck and the gig economy shouldn’t exist either.

I think it’s problematic when the hate is directed at sex workers. They’re doing something for money, just like a brick layer, because they’re desperate to eat and find shelter just like all of us but the sex industry is abusive and extremely exploitative and it shouldn’t exist. Meanwhile the brick laying industry definitely should exist which is an important distinction that gets lost.

If Uber and onlyfans cease to exist then the world is a better place, and using the humanity of sex workers as a human shield to defend their existence isn’t right.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The distinction one should make when analyzing these things are the relationships between the workers and employers; some pimps look after there workers and provide fair compensation, others go to impoverished 3rd world countries, go to the villages with suitcases of money and buy women for 500 dollars a person paid to the family and come back every year, then keep them as slaves.

Ubereats and other associated apps all pay people below min wage and rely on a similar model of importing slavery to the 1st world; they are essentially sanatized servant apps.

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More power to em, I’m genuinely glad that they enjoy that line of work, in a perfect world ONLY people that consent to that occupation would have that job but unfortunately that isn’t the case nearly enough. I just feel that too many are forced into it and the perpetrators of the industry are too disgustingly exploitative to justify the industry’s existence. Not doubting your personal experiences with talking to these people, just giving you my 2 cents on the issue.

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I can't help but feel that too many communists don't actually listen to sex workers and base a lot of their misgivings on some moral, conservative, patriarchal attitude towards sex, women and culture.

Not everything under the umbrella of "sex work" is prostitution or porn. In general (and I say in general, because I'm aware that this is a complex issue) we should be letting sex workers guide this conversation.

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[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

I was pretty pro-military and US foreign policy until I actually joined for myself. Now that I'm leaning more Marxist, I realize how fucking crazy our leadership is and how desructive we are, all the while telling people that the other guy deserved it.

[–] Pili@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Veganism.

I used to be a "vegans are so hypocritical they don't care about plant feelings" kind of guy. Thankfully, through lots of life experiences and self-criticism I turned around and am now a volunteer in the local animal rights activists group.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

almost everything I had an opinion about before I learned about and began to understand systems and the interconectedness of the world an how it developed through historical materialism

I was wrong as shit and an asshole about everything until someone finally taught me

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