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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Authorities in at least three states have arrested individuals allegedly impersonating Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers at a time when real ICE agents have ramped up immigration enforcement efforts under the Trump administration, adding to existing fears of law enforcement among migrant communities.

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[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait, you mean criminals are impersonating the guys that look and act like criminals? How odd.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago

Don't people realize that ICE are the people with masks that don't have to identify themselves or provide a reason why you should comply and that criminals are the people with masks that don't have to identify themselves or provide a reason why you should comply? Come on, sheeple.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago

Heres a crazy idea. make them wear uniforms with no masks and badges. Crazy I know.

[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 257 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You know what I bet would help? If actual ICE agents showed their faces and IDs and had warrants instead of just jumping out of a rental F150 in masks and tactical paintball gear and grabbing people's babies and punching old people. Just a thought.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago

You're obviously a far left radical! What radical ideas are you going to demand next? Due process and the rule of law? Preposterous!

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hey now, no one could've seen this coming. It's almost like going on the Internet and telling lies, the horror!

But seriously, yeah if they even had a single gram of official procedure and not some slapstick renegade style means of operation, this would be easily bypassed. But I suppose the copycats help the dickheads in charge, so I suppose treat every interaction as a hostile impersonation.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At this point, if "ICE" is trying to arrest you, you should fight back with life or death consequences. You should be fully of the belief that if you go quietly, if you allow them to take you, you WILL die.

And that's not only true of the fake ICE impersonators. It's true of the real ICE too. They've been shipping people to countries they've never been, in places they don't speak the language, to camps where they're tortured for information that not only do they not have, they also can't understand the questions, because again, they don't speak the language.

Someone explain to me how we're better than 1940s nazis at this point. I've never been patriotic, but at this point I can't even say we're above literal nazi tactics.

[–] Sammy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Considering the average American, I'm actually shocked there haven't been more shoot-outs*. What's the point of everyone being strapped if you're just going to let yourself be yoinked off the street?

*Not super keen on guns but, like, this is the reason (we) Americans profess to be armed, right?

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

My state allows open carry and permitless concealed carry.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Because that's not the "average American", thats that average Right Wing Nutjob, the type of person that supports what is happening and ICE isn't going after.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And if they only went after violent criminals in their territory, instead of being such cowards they'd rather grab law-abiding people at hospitals and schools and churches.

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[–] witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 2 days ago

"Johnson was charged with three counts of kidnapping and one count each of impersonating a law enforcement officer, petty larceny, assault and battery, according to jail records."

This is what cop behavior is legally described as when you aren't a cop.

Criminals are impersonating other criminals who are under the power of a criminal

Criminalception!!

[–] vala@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The literal only difference beetween these kids and ICE is that ICE gets paid.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

No, the difference is the amount of backup they have

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't be surprised if they deputised unpaid volunteers at this point.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago

To me it sounds more like the cops are impersonating civilians.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

authorities issue national warning

Instead of just stopping the behavior that makes this even possible lol

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago

Who could have forseen this could happen?

Fucking excellent.

Well, not the crime and the general scumbaggery, but the more this happens the more justified you’ll be gunning down a random person claiming to be law enforcement as they attempt to illegally detain people. Every time an ice agent dies an angel gets its wings - if it’s from a legally defensible bullet from a patriot they get to cum too.

Do your part assholes.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 92 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You can't impersonate an officer when officers are doing everything in their power to not be recognized as officers. No face, name tag, department, badge, uniform, warrant, marked government vehicle, standard issue side arm, etc. If no one is a cop then everyone can pretend to be a cop.

[–] Marthirial@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Correct. Cosplaying Gestapo thugs is not a crime.

[–] hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Like Iranian gun teams. They'll be able to move around fully armed and in the open for a looooooooooong time thanks to ICE. America is so fucked.

[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 53 points 2 days ago (13 children)

genuinely, if i was american, i'd make sure to get a license to carry just in case this ever happened to me. anyone not identifying themselves trying to stuff me in an umarked vehicle is a kidnapper and will be treated as such.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

What if these fake ICE officers identified themselves as ICE though? At what point does your identification become truth? The official ICE gestapo already doesn't have to fully identify themselves.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yup. I'm shooting anyone in the face who tries to abduct me without properly identifying themselves. I'll deal with the repercussions after I potentially save myself from being human trafficked or having my organs harvested.

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[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 108 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Meanwhile, in Raleigh, North Carolina, Carl Thomas Bennett was arrested for allegedly impersonating an ICE officer and sexual assaulting a woman at a Motel 6 threatening to deport her if she didn’t comply, according to CNN affiliate WRAL.

Police reports indicated that Bennett, 37, “threatened to deport the victim if she did not have sex with him,” and “displayed a business card with a badge on it,” according to WRAL.

Ah, rape.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

See, that's what got him caught.

He showed some form of identification, even if fake. The real ICE would never do that.

They may have done the other stuff but we probably wouldn't know.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ah, rape.

The president is a rapist, so why not? It could get you a segment on Fox.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

The president is a rapist,

And felon. This guy is going places!

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

The criminals are impersonating criminals.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm engaging, violently, with a gun, any masked man that molests me or my family. My wife is a legal, brown immigrant. I am a gun nut. I am practiced and I train.

This isn't bravado, it's the reality I live. I leave the front curtains open so I can see incoming threats. I close those curtains at night so they can't see me. I'm scared shitless.

Some of ya'll "guns BAD" liberals need to take a history class. I'll die with my boots on thank you very much.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago

Gun owning dirty liberal here. I now carry due to my mixed family.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I've been anti-gun my whole life and still am. But the reality of the current situation is I'm getting a gun.

America isn't a civilized enough nation to move past firearms like other nations have done.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There's an extremely simple solution to this problem

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah, shoot anyone in the face that tries to abduct you without proper identification.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Who knew sending unidentified masked domestic terrorists to abduct people off the street into unmarked vehicles could lead to problems?

Fascism, folks. Always stupid. Always dangerous.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago

Guy on the left looks like a methhead.

[–] ghost_towels@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

You know, this wouldn’t be as much of an issue if they had to, I don’t know, IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The obvious answer is to beat the crap out of anyone who claims to be an ICE officer.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Everyone should just dress up like ICE everywhere ... you don't have to do anything violent or illegal .. just go about your day as an ICE agent.

Going shopping, dress up like ICE ... anyone asks, just say you're ICE

Going to the movies? dress up like ICE

Going to visit grandma? dress up like ICE

Going to a wedding? dress up like ICE with a hoodie, ball cap, sunglasses and mask

Once everyone everywhere is ICE ... ICE will be less likely to bother people

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Once everyone everywhere is ICE ... ICE will be less likely to bother people

Yes, because if there's one thing anonymous "law enforcement" groups hate, it's having more plausible deniability and the ability to hide in a larger crowd before they snatch and grab.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 days ago

How is this Possible? The Republicans RUNNING our Country have made SURE ICE is Well Uniformed, Legally Acting and ALWAYS Identifiable! And if NOT the Republicans running our Country have been SWIFT to Promote them!

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