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[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 29 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Take aways:

  • Sample set is of 5 games
  • Lenovo drivers are much slower than Asus
  • There are 2 games where windows is neck to neck or better, 3 where SteamOS is far ahead

Some doubts:

  • Did the author run the benchmarks few times to rule out shader compilation. 99%ile would be helpful.
  • I wonder if it makes sense to test DirectX10, 11 and 12 games separately to better understand where Proton has an edge.
  • I wonder what all settings can be tweaked in Windows to find potential fixes (core isolation, cpu boost, power profiles).

Point is Microsoft and OEMs need to do better, however not every game or subscription services work on Linux, so in the interim time users should know what they can do to close the gap better.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago (5 children)

This is really not surprising to anyone who has used modern windows and Linux recently. Windows is so incredibly bloated, whereas Linux is a true real-time OS basically out of the box.

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

While the bloat exists, even debloated windows wouldn't match proton because that's not the only reason. Despite bloat there are two games in this test the actually do similar or better than SteamOS. This means there's a confounding reason for the difference, not the bloat.

[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

I recently switched from windows (with a debloat scrpit ran on it) to linux mint and I was shocked at how much faster it booted. When I turn my pc on I usually get up and do something else for a bit (not because windows is THAT slow but because I could spend the minute it takes to turn on to make lunch or something) and linux booted before I was out of my chair.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did the author run the benchmarks few times to rule out shader compilation.

Why should the author rule it out? Honest question. If shader compilation leads so worse real world experience for gamers on Windows than SteamOS, it is a valid point to include.

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because I'm more curious about why things are the way they are just like the author, and would like to understand this with more data points, only making the comparison more helpful. I'm not saying author "should" consider impact of shader compilation, but I'm saying had they done, we'd understand the difference better.

They added asus vs Lenovo drivers data points, which alone tells us that driver optimization is responsible to a great extent. All I'm saying here is more data is more helpful.

Maybe even after taking care of that, the difference is huge, which will tell us its not enough to have precompilation of shaders. Maybe it does reduce the gap, telling us that potentially dx11 games might tend to do similarly.

Saying "RTX 5060 is better than 9060 XT" with 5 games tested is one level of comparison, but if they are grouped into RT and non RT games, games with 8gb and 16gb VRAM requirements, games with and without nVidia partnership, isn't that just more detailed and an even better comparison point?

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look... Regardless of metrics saying one is faster, Linux is where everyone should be. I say that knowing full well the anger it'll cause.

These corporations do not respect the user. They shovel ads, AI, spyware and half baked software down our throats. They restrict what you can do with your own hardware with artificial barriers. They force reliance on "industry standard" bs when they're the industry benefiting. The only power we have is our money and our choices, and choosing to take the abuse because of fucking Fortnite or Photoshop is as pathetic as it comes.

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

Preach. Studios that make games with anti cheats and what not should reconsider how they handle Linux as they'll only get even more players, who'll probably be even more loyal due to their Linux compatibility. I know cheating is a big issue in online games, but adding invasive kernel level code to detect that is just adding system level vulnerabilities just to prevent cheaters from cheating seems like an overkill. It's not like cheating mouse and keyboards don't exist and cheaters have evaporated entirely due to anti cheat.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 20 hours ago

Lol. Lmao, e--

[–] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 12 points 1 day ago

Wow, some of these are showing huge gains with Steam OS

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Windows runs better on Linux than on Windows…

[–] socsa@piefed.social 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Linux runs better on Windows than Windows.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 hours ago

Are you saying we should run Linux Subsystem inside Windows inside a VM on Linux for maximum performance? 🤔

[–] Vikthor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's still without NTSYNC patches, right?

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I heard they are irrelevant for Proton as it has its own fsync.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh dear Microsoft, you had everything and you pissed it away again

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I last checked in December. At that time Linux had an all time high usage rate of 5.6%. For a platform that's existed since the early 90s, 5.6% is the highest they'd ever achieved.

So I wouldn't exactly say microsoft EVER pissed it away. They still have, and always have had, dominant market share of users. And they do so by charging hundreds of dollars as opposed to a free alternative.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

They had internet explorer dominance, they pissed that away

They had PC gaming OS dominance, they're now pissing that away

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[–] theotherbelow@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 day ago

I like to see this.

This is not my experience out of the box (in debian so not truly a comparison) on legacy hardware. (Which shouldn't be running win 11 anyways).

We are definitely most of the way there with proton but game devs/publishers have a lot of room of improvement.

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