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[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 235 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

EU has its many flaws but they pretty much doing their job in regards of consumer rights, human rights and protection of personal data.

[–] Zyratoxx@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If we could only fix that veto issue... And the parliament issue... Someday hopefully :')

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hungarian is against fixing the Veto Issue!

[–] Zyratoxx@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] fritz@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Human rights? Lol I wish, frontex is just waiting to start shooting migrants at the borders

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 157 points 1 year ago (4 children)

DO MANDATORY 3.5mm JACK NOW

[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 112 points 1 year ago (34 children)

THE PERSON THAT DOWNVOTED THIS DESERVES THEIR AIRPODS TO RUN OUT OF BATTERY DURING A 12 HOUR FLIGHT SITTING NEXT TO A CHILD AND THEIR CHATTY NO-VAX-MAKING-MY-OWN-BREAD-LOOK-AT-THE-PICTURES-OF-MY-C-SECTION-DELIVERY MOTHER

[–] Rakn@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago

That's why you carry two sets of Airpods on a 12 hour flight. /s

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yes. Also I need a SCSI connector. Do that obsolete piece of shit as well.

[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

FULL FLEDGED 40-GPIO-PIN LIKE A RASPBERRY PI

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 146 points 1 year ago (12 children)

User expandable/replaceable storage, please.

There's no reason whatsoever that a 2TB iPad should cost £1250 more than a 128GB one. I put an extra 2TB in my PS5 the other week for under £100.

[–] BotchedRPR@lemmy.fmhy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Honestly one of my favorite things about my ps5. I can appreciate the small repair moves, but I’d still appreciate „Other OS” being brought back.

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[–] Kagami@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago (7 children)

At least the EU protects consumers' rights, which is a breath of fresh air and it is something to be appreciated. Not going to lie.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

Especially in contrast to the US who completely stopped pretending to support consumers.

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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Reminder: Steve Jobs was a non-engineer, non-designer Marketing guy who was famously against charity and refused to pay child support despite being mega rich.

He didn't create the I-anything. He took what talented people did and made himself the face of it. He was a bad dude, a model capitalist, and the world is better for his preventable, self-inflicted early demise. Thanks for being into alternative "medicine" at least, Steve.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Elon Musk is a wannabe Steve Jobs, it all makes sense.

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[–] nonstopshirtflutter@lemmy.fmhy.ml 75 points 1 year ago (27 children)

I’d love if they added a minimum security-update time for the OS. 5 years of OS upgrades should be the norm, and at least 7 more years of life-support, where security updates are provided.

It is ridiculous how fast phones become unsupported and unsafe. The systems are so specialised that open source OS can not support them all. It’s all proprietary technology, dependant on proprietary code.

Once the last security update is shipped, the phone very quickly becomes a serious security vulnerability. Modern messaging formats such as emails and whatsapp become potential vectors of an attack. Visiting a Website might be enough to compromise ones phone. Even if every application you depend on didn’t already drop support, the phone is basically e-waste because of the OS.

On this front, Apple has actually been decent. They support their old hardware much longer than many android brands. However I still think anything below 10 years is absolutely ridiculous as it renders the whole device unusable.

I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.

[–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.fmhy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do agree on this. A law about supporting, at the very least, just security updates for your product in a 7 or 8 year life span is a must IMO as well. 10 would be ideal, but even an 8 year life span is not bad.

I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.

Probably, since most of them are smart now.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 68 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Apple isn't losing here. Eu is forcing them to make better phones.

[–] Unanimous_anonymous@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These changes go against Apple's business model and practices. Forcing USB C will mean they will probably try to add some bullshit software check to their plug in devices so 3rd party hardware makers will once again be shut out. These practices allow Apple to tell their current consumers "don't buy 3rd party stuff. It isn't made well and won't work on our incredible phones". Will that get struck down in the EU again? Probably. Will they make a few billion dollars before it does? Absolutely.

Apple has purposefully avoided moving towards industry standards so they can keep everything in their control. For better or worse, it's actually one if the biggest strengths of Apple products. I know if I buy an iPhone, it's going to work great (until the battery goes), and any of their add on parts are also going to work great because they don't have to design drivers for the 400 different options out there. But that same practice inherently leads to these sort of anti-consumer decisions. Where a decision goes from keeping-in-their-wheelhouse to have-them-by-the-balls.

[–] propaganja@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I will never forgive them for killing the headphone jack—but I at least understand the business model behind it. Samsung's decision to follow suit likewise makes sense.

As for the other manufacturers who jumped on the bandwagon for no reason other than that they saw the big kids do it—handicapping their devices with what is to many a dealbreaker issue, without offering their own line of wireless earbuds / headphones to capitalize off of—I can feel only pity and disdain.

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[–] TheCee@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apple didn't get big by producing quality hardware.

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[–] the_brownie@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Look, I'm happy about the EU regulating these things and think it's great for the overall ecosystem. But can we please stop with the "Apple users are braindead" circlejerk? It's so fucking cringe, and it unironically reminds me of the unebearable zeal that Apple cultists used to (and probably still do but I see it less) impose on anyone who made the mistake of getting to close to them.

I've had many Android phones over the years, and one iPhone 8. While I am considering moving to a de-Googled Android for privacy reasons, I have to say, my iPhone has held up better than any of my Android phones (Galaxy S3, S4, LG G3) did, without needing to replace the battery. Just because you can't understand why someone might want one doesn't mean everyone who gets an iPhone is an idiot.

I would much rather have left this kind of tech chest-beating over at reddit.

[–] net00@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Those who are still on the 'apple bad' train like to forget they are running an OS built by an ads company.

Every phone manufacturer has some bad shit, I choose to stick with apple cuz I already have a big library of paid stuff.

[–] dtxer@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Firstly running Android != running Google on it.

Secondly you prove exactly the point. They try to make you dependent on their proprietary technology, forcing you to use their app store, apps, chargers, repair shops, desktop OS, TVs etc. (you can circumvent each of these point, but it requires always some amount of technical time investment).

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[–] AndreyAsimow@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Replaceable batteries are so early millenia.

[–] Zyratoxx@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (32 children)

"We CaNnOt mAkE tHeM wAtErProOf."

Galaxy S5 starts laughing

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[–] koorool@feddit.de 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Something that I haven't seen mentioned on this topic:

having a spare charged battery with you also have so much more sense than carrying a powerbank. No losses transferring power to phone, no excessive heat, MUCH lighter.

This is what we have for radios (walkie-talkies), drones, cameras, but not for phones, where we really need this.

[–] kamiheku@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We're not necessarily talking about "pop the back open and slam a new one in" batteries a la Nokia 3310, but rather being able to replace a battery at the end of its lifecycle without special expertise and tools, but still, with some amount of effort required.

That's the requirement at least, but companies are of course free to choose either approach.

According to a draft version of the ecodesign regulation on the EU’s website, batteries should be replaceable “with no tool, a tool or set of tools that is supplied with the product or spare part, or basic tools.”

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries

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[–] Metaright@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] koorool@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many european countries have great immigration laws and opportunities. Some companies will offer relocation assistance and reimbursment. It's a challange, but it's possible.

Just please leave your cars behind :)

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[–] bulbousnub@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Now hit em again with a FaceTime on other platforms and finish off with an iMessage on Android!

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[–] howarddo@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago
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