It seems effective not to become vassals to the yanks. Europe should take notes, ditch these stupid obese people, and chart its own course, away from muhrican degeneration.
this post was submitted on 14 Jul 2025
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I mean, we're also obese. But your other points stand 😁
Of course they do. Cost of living goes up, people buy the cheaper options of essentials . The ones mass produced in China.
It’s almost like the rest of the world just…moved on.
Ffs. We need a strong USA. Get rid of this moron.
I am with the rest of the world.
We certainly don't need a strong USA.
Or any USA for that matter.
Man, As an American i just want to live a comfortable life. I can't do shit about the fact that a third if the country is rewarded and upset about stuff that has nothing to do with them because the richest told them to be. Fuck it man. You want to do something about it?
All these idiots voted for the warmongering imperialist uniparty.
Now we don't have to do anything about it, just watch you go down
2A black panther style
Seriously. The states mostly hate each other as is. Split up, be happier. You'll have little Russia down in the south where rights are a joke and children go back to the mines but hey, that's just good solid capitalism. And then you'll have everyone else forced to live with their crumbling neighbor slinging shit over the fence for a few decades.
Honestly youre right. As an American I really think we're hitting a point where atleast for awhile we may need to consider balkanization. I just don't know how much longer things can keep going the way they are. Maybe California, Illinois and New York could do a cyberpunk esc new usa thing since they span from coast to coast. Then when the south eventually rots away we can do actual reconstruction.
are people in general for or against secession (i.e. splitting up the US into jesusland and the blue states)? poll by upvoting (pro secession) or downvoting (against secession) this comment.
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Why do we need a strong usa?
I would settle for a stable USA that takes care of its people.
Never existed
Sadly
Yeah the need for a "strong country" is just pure awful nationalism.
Fight for a "good country" instead.
Back in 1997 there was a storyline in WWF with a professional wrestler named Bret Hart.
Bret is a Canadian. And the storyline was that he was a bad guy in the USA, because he bad mouthed USAs healthcare, and treatment of veterans.
He was a good guy everywhere in the world EXCEPT the USA.
He said things like "Back home in Canada, we still act like decent people. Where we take care of the sick, and the elderly. We honor our veterans who served our country. Not like here where you dump them in the streets and spit on them as they suffer. I can't wait to get back to Canada. A real country to be proud of. Not this fascade of an image that your country tries to project. All men are created equal, huh? Kind of hard to take that seriously, when the quotes author was a slave holder."
Yeah. Professional wrestling was WILD in the late 90s. But I bet you thought it was just muscle roided beefy boys beating their chests and shaking the ropes, huh?
My point is, we've NEVER taken care of our own people. Even a professional wrestler 30 years ago could see that.
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A strong USA is a call for stability. Consider what they said about the mongols, "For fear of his yasa and punishment his followers were so well disciplined that during his reign no traveller, so long as he was near his army, had need of guard or patrol on any stretch of road ; and, as is said by way of hyperbole, a woman with a golden vessel on her head might walk alone without fear or dread."
Weather the mongols (or the USA) are a good empire is a separate matter. The US brings a lot of stability for small countries and keeps sea ways open for trade. It is not an act of charity the way some republicans frame it, but still. Simply saying for the US empire to fold those responsibilities begs the question, who or what will take its place?
These are not easy questions and leave a lot unsatisfied. They almost remind me of anarcho capitalists saying that with out states and leaving things to the free market everyone will hold hands and sing kumbaya.
You're acting as if there aren't large will powers that aren't chopping at the bit to take the place of United States to maintain World stability.
You're acting as if the United States single handily keeps the world stable which is absolutely not true.
If anything the United States is more of a destabilizing force in the global South and it is a stabilizing Force.
Right now I would say China is probably the most stabilizing force in Africa due to its Belton Road initiative and they're working on helping stabilize South America where the United States is constantly overthrowing governments that aren't friendly to the United States.
The Chiquita banana Wars come to mine along or the overthrow of Allende when they had a perfectly reasonable centrally planned socialist government in place. The exiled capitalism Chile worked with United States to violently overthrow the government when the people were objectively happy with what they had.
I do not think the United States is a stabilizing Force around the world
You’re acting as if there aren’t large will powers that aren’t chopping at the bit to take the place of United States to maintain World stability.
You’re acting as if the United States single handily keeps the world stable which is absolutely not true.
I am not and I addressed that when I said,
"Weather the mongols (or the USA) are a good empire is a separate matter. "
In your other comment you bring up how China is bullying The Philippines. Russia also treats central asian / caucasian countries the way the US treats central america. Is that good? No, and yet many might say that a strong Russia is a kind of stabilizing force. A stronger Russia is able to bluff that the CSTO is worth the paper its printed on and have deterred the Amermenian-Azzeri war that happened a few years ago.
Do I think the Russian Federation or current China with its imperial goals are forces for good? No, but that is a different question to "do they bring stabilizing effects". And I will point out again the question was more or less as to why people consider the US a stabilizing force; not if that is a good or moral thing.
A weaker US will probably bring more stability.
If we have a few, not too many, but a few power poles in the world, these powers will likely work to keep each other at bay. The US got completely unhinged after the fall of the Soviet Union. There was no one who could stop them after all. This lead to millions of people murdered by the US and its clients in the past 35 years. Bill Clinton's presidency alone killed about half a million Iraqi kids through sanctions on food and medicine for Iraq in the 90s, ironically after the US, Germany and other western countries had been major factors in building Saddam's chemical weapons and using them against the Kurdish minority and Iran. Then came the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions, again killing hundreds of thousands maybe up to a million of people. Libya tossed into chaos, Yemen as a genocidal campaign that the Saudis couldn't have pulled off without US weapons, intelligence and assistance, killing hundreds of thousands again...
US "liberal hegemony" has been the deadliest ideology in the world after Mao has died
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This is the results of decades of bipartisan foreign policy. If you want change, we’ll have to oust the majority of Democratic Party leadership as well.
Too late. Globalisation has just sized up the US.
A new leader and government will help, but what a monumental pit to come out of. The first term will be mostly spent plugging holes and repairing.
Barely six months in and American citizens are on their knees—literally if ICE are there with an unmarked van—and no one's doing a thing. It's like every part of the American Constitution was just for show all this time.
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We need a strong USA.
Glances at the last 40 years of US history
Do we?
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How's making America great again going?
Mission impossible. It’s never been great.
We had a good five or ten minutes somewhere in 1945. Also, gotta admit that Moon Landing was cool.
Everything else I could probably live without.
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Everyone was trying to beat the tariffs and it ended up creating record exports.
I work in an area that just blew up with Chinese factories the past 6 months. Green field to fully automated factories in 3 months.
With the coming change I hope more countries will join the Belt & Road initiative.
Man I remember arguing with somebody that said that China would want the USA to be stable and strong and that they don't want the USA playing these games
My response is that China's loving this and they're going to be breaking in profits and low and behold.
China does not care about the United States stability as long as the United States is not focused on China.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" - ancient Chinese war man
*Napoleon Bonaparte
But it does sound like Sun Tzu! Which reminds me, got a new copy of The Art of War and I haven't read it in 10 or 20 years.
In my late teens and early 20's I got really into Napoleonic history, I still attribute that quote to Sun Tzu. It just sounds so much like some of the prose from Tzu, I sometimes wonder if Napoleon read it since it translated into French two years after his birth.
Sorry, off topic, but that 10 - 20 year range is wild and I notice myself using it more often now as I turn 40 like, "oh I haven't seen this movie in 10 or 20 years!"
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