I hate this fucking country.
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Delia Ramirez from Illinois and Frederica Wilson from Florida. were the only two Democrats to abstain. the vote would have passed with them.
They're all on the same side. And it's not your side.
Almost like it was planned. No way they just happened to abstain when it was that close.
neither of those people struck me as DJT's fall people. would they do it for the Clintons?
They probably just drew lots or some shit. Doesn't really matter to them who did it, as the public is just going to see the Republicans who voted no.
I didn't. fucking bug-people, man.
Yeah, but if you look on most social media, most everyone is paying zero attention to those 2. Lemmy is self selecting for moderately more aware of this kind of detail people.
you're right. it took a lot (for my usual amount of effort) to find those names
They're really going all in counting on no elections next year.
They’re counting on the fact that most people have worse memory than a goldfish and will blindly vote for their party of choice with no thought whatsoever.
Also they are definitely going to rig the election next year anyway, so there’s no reason for them to be sneaky anymore because they’re covered either way.
Ah ok, so I guess 80% of them are on the list lol
Conservatives seem to have formulated their response.
209 Ds + 1 R voting yes to 211 Rs voting no = both parties are corrupt.
Everyone is on the list, even though Democrats voted yea. In conspiracy world, politicians are a hivemind that act in perfect lockstep. When you see 210 - 211 it means it's a circus and they don't care about us and they conspire to swap votes to trick the marks.
Something 90% of Americans shit out on a daily basis.
Is this “the storm” the Qult has been promising us?
Yeah, because every accusation is a confession.
So there are at least 211 child rapists in the house?
At least 211 that think it’s fine to stay hidden from justice.
Republicans have taken to voting "No" on damned near anything a Democrat floats for a vote, so this was an excellent opportunity to dump kerosene on the flaming bag of shit Trump stepped in.
But otherwise...
Yeah, its a bit of a problem.
hack cough cough gag wheeze cough... ad infinitum
Please note this is page 56 of the list. You likely won't finish a single page before you need to go sit out in a garden for a while.
The party of, "Think of the children!", ending up thinking of the children way too much.
Id probably like to see that chart normalised to people with affiliation / perpetrators
~~These are just politicians. Almost all of them are affiliated.~~
NVM. Yeah that does make sense, as libertarians are punching well above their weight here.
The scariest thing about this is the fact 211 members of congress are willing to go along with this cover up because they are either in on it, or too cowardly to stand up for what’s right.
They can't let us know officially that the laws are only for peasants. It would cause unrest.
In an article by Kenn Klippenstein that was shared here recently, he pointed out that the FBI started talking about 1000s of victims instead of dozens, like before.
So on the one hand there most be a lot of people in those files who have a seat in congress or very close access to them. On the other hand there is plausible reasons to believe this was a huge Mossad blackmail operation, so all the Zionist lobby in the US, which has extensive access to many politicians, is probably make a lot of pushes now too.
I don't think there is some conspiracy. I think, like you said, the files list a large amount of people with only anecdotal evidence. Some people are likely voting because they're concerned their name is on their. But I think voting to not release the files is more about being able to control the narrative. Without it released you can claim to have read it and seen your rivals listed, once it's released you can't make things up anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Alleged_connections_to_intelligence_agencies
Epstein was rumored to be associated with Intelligence agencies.[292] The U.S. journalists Dylan Howard, Melissa Cronin and James Robertson linked Epstein to the Israeli Mossad in their book Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales. They relied for the most part on the former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe.[293] According to him, Epstein's activities as a spy served to gather compromising material on powerful people in order to blackmail them.[294] There is also a possible connection to the Mossad via Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father Robert Maxwell is said to have had contacts with the Mossad.[295] Epstein's victim Virginia Giuffre also alleged Epstein to be an intelligence asset, linking on Twitter to a Reddit page, that alleged Epstein was a spy, running a blackmail operation.[296]
As U.S. Attorney in Florida, the later U.S. Secretary of Labor Alexander Acosta reached a settlement with Epstein's lawyers (including Alan M. Dershowitz) in 2008, which allowed him to receive a very light prison sentence. Acosta later reportedly stated that he was told that Epstein "belonged to intelligence" and that the issue was above his "pay grade." According to Acosta, he was pushed to give him a good deal.[297] Former CIA Director and diplomat William J. Burns met with Epstein three times. According to a CIA spokesperson, Burns hoped that Epstein would help him "transition to the private sector."[298]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Mossad_allegations;_Vanunu_case
The Foreign Office suspected Maxwell of being a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[58]
Shortly before Maxwell's death, Ari Ben-Menashe, a former employee of Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate, approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the US with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror's foreign editor, Nicholas Davies, were both long-time agents for Mossad. Ben-Menashe also claimed that, in 1986, Maxwell informed the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu revealed information about Israel's nuclear capability to The Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by Mossad and smuggled to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for eighteen years.[59]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Death
Murder was ruled out by the judge and, in effect, so was suicide.[65] His son discounted the possibility of suicide, saying, "I think it is highly unlikely that he would have taken his own life, it wasn't in his makeup or his mentality."[10] Maxwell was afforded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence[67] and many dignitaries and politicians, both government and opposition, and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.[68][69] Herzog delivered the eulogy, and the Kaddish was recited by his fellow Holocaust survivor, friend and longtime attorney Samuel Pisar.[70]
Also note how the recent denials from Israel are extremely agressive https://time.com/7302177/epstein-mossad-israel-intelligence-naftali-bennett/:
The Israeli politician on Monday said he had “100% certainty” that Epstein did not have any ties to the Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, or the country itself.
“The accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false,” Bennett said in a post on X. “There’s a vicious wave of slander and lies against my country and my people, and we just won’t take it anymore.”
EDIT: Also note that Israel is notorious for harboring fugitive child abusers. Israel is strategically building on child rapists to support them.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
Sick the Dems did nothing when they had control too and are now grandstanding what they knew would fail. It's fucked up all the way around, this is just the latest round of sickening.
Well now, that's an actual play by the Democrats, I'm a little surprised. Of course the Republicans have to vote against it because they have to protect President Smooth Brain, but this then drags out the story over another news cycle when Trump is desperate for people to stop talking about it.
Now, all this means nothing because the base will eventually get to "it's ok for Trump to have raped those girls because he was saving them from the evil Democrats who would have done worse" but at least there's a small moment where I can imagine things matter.
This is the longest I've seen his base angry at Trump & Republicans for. He got ratioed on Truth Social for the first time ever. He's also doing something he rarely does - telling his base directly that their concerns don't matter to him. Republicans usually manufacture away around issues that still pretends to care about their concerns, but they are not doing that well here
I can't fully predict the future think this leaves a wound that not all the base comes back from and that matters. If say 10-20% of MAGA people don't return, that weakens his grip on power. Some percentage going away enables a permissions structure for future criticism on other issues. Wannabe authoritarians need zero criticism to be acceptable to their followers because the tiniest bit can snow ball
He’s also doing something he rarely does - telling his base directly that their concerns don’t matter to him.
This is such a key.
It's a great play.
Every single Democrat running against these assholes next November will be able to say the Republican candidate voted against the release of the Epstein files. That's their headshot in the debates. "Representative X voted against the release of the Epstein Files" is an easy campaign strategy.
You have to be better than that.
(In a scary voice, with a black and white teddy bear on a child mattress in the background. ) "Representative X voted AGAINST investigating child molesters and instead voted FOR granting them additional protections!"
Don't say Epstein files.
I think you need both. It's clear that Republicans are pro rape and only parrot being against pedophilia, but I don't think they've drawn the connection between that and the Epstein files.
You gotta bust out the crayons and connect the dots for them so that they are fighting the same fight as us.
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So 211 of them all admit it exists, at least. Good first thing to pin to them, and ask why their lord and savior thinks it doesn't exist.
"Do we think its part of his mental decline or his unwillingness to have his name read out?"
Also, just to edit myself and add a little something:
"If you feed a terrorist or fund a terrorist, you're a terrorist." - your enigmatic W. Bush.
Pam Bondi acknowledged she had a list of contacts among 200 pages of documents and was demanding more from Patel. It's available on the DOJ website.
Very good, House Dems. Now keep doing it--introduce another 99 bills to do the same between now and the next presidential election (if there is one), which would be as many as the number of times House republicans introduced bills to repeal the ACA (and that only counts their bills through 2017, which was the latest date I found a source for).
What's the phrase Republicans use again? "If you did nothing wrong then you should have nothing to worry about"
Talk about karma
That's not karma. That's just hypocrisy .
They will never experience karma. America is apparently filled with pedophiles and pussies.
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Apparently these are the ones to work on: "The nine Republicans who chose not to vote were: Andy Ogles (TN), Michael McCaul (TX), Thomas Massie (KY), Barry Loudermilk (GA), Wesley Hunt (TX), Morgan Lutrell (TX), Mark Green (TN), Monica De La Cruz (TX), and Buddy Carter (GA). "
Two assholes from my state TN
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But but. How can you block the release of something that doesn't exist?....lol
If there is a silver lining to all this, it’s the absolutely amateurish way they have gone about covering all this up. From the “raw” video with 3 minutes cutout to the flip flopping on the existence of the list. These are bad people clearly making this up as they go along, and not evil masterminds executing part 10 of a well thought out plan.
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Imagine telling on yourself like this
Grand Old Pedophiles
Dems should pull from the same playbook the Republicans pulled from when they voted to repeal Obamacare like 30 times while Obama was still in office. Make the Republicans keep voting to protect pedos, and then when they're out of the majority make Trump use his veto to protect pedos.
Shocking news!
Good job guys! Protect those fellow pedophiles!
Got to protect the pedophile-in-chief.
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