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Seems almost inevitable at this point but with the lack of informing in and out of gaza it seems unlikely we'll ever know for sure.

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[-] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One of the first hostages that was brought in by the IDF said everyone else was mowed down by gun fire and that they shot two tank rounds into the small home where they were being held. The man interviewing her tried steering her away from making a declaration that it was the IDF and then they left that part out when the interview was released to the Israeli public.

https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Part of me feels like they don't want to actually get the hostages back. So far all the testimonials from released hostages have been contradicting everything the Zionists have been claiming about Hamas, and those captives probably will have a more sympathetic view toward Palestinians after their ordeal and more hatred of the Zionist state because of it.

The Zionists don't care about people that might not be loyalists now that they have been personally subject to the realities on the ground.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

The most recent radio war nerd has some discussion of this. The people captured aren't part of neranyahu's voting bloc so he doesn't give a shit, and every single one that gets released and says they were treated well damages him and his political movement. They are more useful dead than alive, that's part of what this indiscriminate bombing is for.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

thanks I will check that out, but yeah that's been my suspicions since the first interviews with hostages came out.

I at first had hoped maybe the number of captives would deter this kind of indiscriminate slaughter, but once those videos started popping up I was like "ah fuck they're just going to flatten the whole place."

Also Finkelstein is on the latest TrueAnon talking about all this as well. https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/its-not-too-late

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah. You can kind of tell that Israel has been using this as an excuse to launch offensive action against anyone, which is leaving Hamas confused as they thought they would have some leverage in negotiating a hostage crisis.

Although I don't know what Hamas was thinking doing this. Israel has had a history of turning a defensive war into offensive action.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hamas was thinking they would damage Israel, and they have. Look at all the settlers leaving the country saying they won't return. Look at the uprising in sympathy across the arab world. Israel's cooperation with Muslim nations is now in serious question. Bombing and indiscriminate killing of Palestinians by IOF and settlers wasn't going to stop if Hamas hadn't done this. The only way to stop the IOF and settlers from persecuting Palestinians is an aggressive, militant response.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

It is showing too. There is overwhelming popular support while western media is trying to silence sympathetic stories and demonize resistance. It's the exact same thing at play during the BLM protests a couple years ago.

Every one of these struggles, land back, BLM, Palestinian resistance, are all part of the same struggle at various degrees of intensity.

[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Hamas claims 30 or 40 hostages killed in the bombings iirc

[-] Futterbinger@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago
[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

any dead hostage that wasn't filmed being executed almost certainly died to israeli bombs or bomb-like things. There's no value to hamas killing them out of sight.

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