I can't believe the negativity coming from the /r/startrek community regarding the blackout and the idea of switching to Lemmy. Forging a new brighter future free of corporate control should fit into the Star Trek ideals of every fan.
this post was submitted on 17 Jun 2023
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Given the option between hanging out with 3,000 Trekkies who are willing to plunge headfirst into a strange new ecosystem and 600,000 Trekkies who find making an account to be an onerous process, I'll take the former, thanks
I for one am here to boldly go away from Reddit.
The irony of being a Trekkie but fearing strange new worlds.
You'd think they'd all be excited to join this new federation
Turns out they were really into Star Trek for the Ferengi.
Cut 'em some slack, they're probably just big fans of that famous Trekkie catchphrase "diversity, who needs it? one combination is enough for me!"
Limited diversity in limited combinations.
I mean it's right there in the intro monologue: "to timidly stay where everyone has already been"
You'd be shocked at the amount of Star Trek fans who don't "get it."
It's analogous to the gamers who complain about The Last of Us being "too political" while listing, like, BioShock as their favorite game.
I first joined r/startrek over 12 years ago when it was about 3000 subscribers. I had a lot of fun. Every post could be seen and not drowned out. No troll issues. Those early days were really nice.
Reddit is dying. Its goals as a growth-oriented corporation are inherently contrary to its original nature as a community center. I have to give them props for dragging it out as long as they have (and will). All the factors that made Reddit possible and desirable still exist; in fact, the ActivityPub federation protocol enables an even more powerful form of collaboration that transcends a lot of the negative aspects of Reddit's design.
Give it time. Make content! Tell people about this wonderful new generation of media. Consider it an opportunity to engage with the glory days of a new form of internet media. Which it is.
Exactly, it's going to be a long slow process. This will have slow bursts like we're seeing now as reddit makes their app shittier and shittier, but we're never going to see an exodus like Digg again, Reddit is 100s of times bigger now.
It's going to look like Facebook, where over time people leave as they realize they don't need it anymore, and eventually all that will be left are stubborn people, the people in admin/mod positions that refuse to give up power, our moms, the people who think Minions memes are funny, and the thousands and thousands of bots talking to each other about how great lysol cleaners are.
Honestly the only people that will remain there are, as you said, either very stubborn, or too young to give a damn. There's a community that I was a part of for a long time that I loved deeply, it was a very warm and inviting place. When the sub went on blackout and took a poll to extend indefinitely, I made a passionate plea to the sub to really consider what's at stake, even though so many of them felt like it was pointless. I wasn't rude, I wasn't callous or pessimistic, I just wanted people to know that whether something seems hopeless or not isn't the point at all, but rather taking a stand for something you believe in should be the point.
I was promptly met with a barrage of downvotes and someone replying to me spewing vitriol and telling me to touch grass, with another person just shrugging and saying they just want things to go back to the way they were (by ending the blackout). It's weird but I was honestly pretty hurt by that response. This community that I came to know and love turned on me the moment I suggested we take a stand.
There really is no persuading people like that unfortunately. But, hopefully, slowly, change will still happen.
I had the exact same response from my favorite sub too, was honestly pretty hurt by it. Then the mods removed it after enough downvotes.
Like guys I love this community, at least I thought I did, I just want to see it continue without being held hostage by Reddit. Same thing, I didn't get angry, didn't push people to switch over, was more like "Hey we have a community over here, if anyone feels like they need to leave Reddit, here we are", like "here's a safe landing spot for you". I'd never seen my favorite community, where I had tens of thousands of karma from, get so angry.
Yeah for me I made the transition today feeling the same way as you. It sucks that just because mods try to go on strike, on behalf of everyone really, the users try to help reddit instead.
For me I’m making the change after being sure I won’t regret/miss too much the content on reddit. I might still go back sometimes for a google search (appending reddit), but for the most part, I’m not using it as a platform I browse.
Even if this fediverse stuff doesn’t pan out, I’m happy to tread these waters and see if it’ll be our future solution to avoiding these greed induced social media self destructions.
Today was the first day I just felt so sickened by how reddit just wouldn’t budge, no matter how disatisfied its users are. I just didn’t even feel good about using the site anymore, even if I love the content/lazy content there
Strikes almost always get people lashing out against them, and in favour of the Evil Empire. People just love being crabs in a bucket, dragging each other down, ensuring that nothing gets better, all because they don't want to think long term about things.
All they see is that someone is trying to restrict what they can do right now. The reasons, or the long term consequences, be dammed.
I was incredibly proud of the trek community for boldly going into the new frontier of the internet. Taking the entire subreddit for the ride could have really helped mass adoption of decentralized social networking. I expected the sub to reopen eventually, but I'm pretty disappointed by the reaction of those currently posting in that thread. If any fanbase should be willing to move forward with the times, we should.
Same thing happened with the Twitter migration. It reveals those who get it and those that don’t. We all differ in our values in these things. It kinda sucks but undeniably. Some of us care and are willing to sacrifice for something better. Others need their convenience and fail to see bigger picture morals.
All we can do is build what we want to see. That’s how the world gets changes.
Only issue I have is I’m not clear on how committed the mods are to maintaining this instance??
I’m not going back to Reddit. I like it better here. And are all 600k really people?
The only way I'd go back to reddit at all is if they entirely walk back their new API rules and if Spez steps down.
"I see no incentive for people to come to this website now " Well, you are free from any more corporate BS here and back on Reddit you are in the same precarious situation that you were in before. If you go back, you will have to compromise.
I'm totally out of my element as far as this community goes and wondered in here from sorting by all, but I won't be going back to reddit for the reasons you said and then some.
It seems to me enough of the core/healthy users and mods have had enough that the site is going to devolve into a cesspool of hate, bots/spam, circlejerks, and more hate.
It's the core subreddit members who drive significant portions of content that are leaving. It's the users who actually go out of their way to report off-topic/rule-breaking content. The ones who always check for/report dropship scammers. These are the users getting fed up and leaving.
It's the unhealthy users who are going to stay. The kind of mindless drones who upvote content regardless of whether it's in the appropriate thread. I've witnessed an alarming trend over the years of anti-intellectualism and hypersensitivity mixed with aggression spreading on reddit. The site is already going down the drain.
Now the mods are about to lose most of their tools (from 3rd party apps of course!) and are being removed by the reddit admin to reopen subs. Many mods are maliciously noncomplying. Some talk about just not moderating their comunities at all anymore. When the mods leave in droves (which is already happening) is when we'll start to see reddit deteriorate more.
Reddit itself isn't going anywhere, and neither is most of their userbase. But their quality is going to plummet. Regardless, I'm happier here even if our communities are smaller for a while. That will just make them more close-knit.
One of the things that made the jump easy for me was that Reddit's kind of already devolved to that state. I've started to notice that most of Reddit's content is automatically generated. Bots even synergize to the point where one bot will repost an old top post while other bots repost the top comments from the old post. Lately I've been seeing weirdly generic and hollow comments that just look like they came from a pool of sentences, or like they were generated by Chat-GPT. And Reddit has long encouraged this trend such as by admitting they approve of free karma subreddits, solely because they make it easier for new users to circumvent spam filters. I don't think they care about quality as long as bots are increasing the total user count. It's a localized example of the dead internet theory.
Even if spez was ousted, all these API changes rolled back, and Reddit never made another decision based on corporate greed, I still just don't really care for what Reddit's become. These changes are the simple manifestations of what Reddit's been aiming to do for years, and I don't see any reason to stay and hope things get better when they're already so bad and get invariably worse.
This place is definitely not dead. Quite lively, in fact. I'm not sure why there being a bigger star trek community somewhere means that this one would be useless
I’ve been visiting Reddit since 2006 and had an account there for nearly 17 years. I remember it before subreddits were a thing. It was for tech nerds and other associated weirdos before entering a genuinely charming period for a few years, but those days are long in the past. I’d rather try out something new with a smaller group of interesting people who are also into trying new things, and I hope this site is able to keep chugging along regardless of whatever is happening at Reddit.
That's rather up to us, isn't it?
Well I’m not going back to reddit even if this place fizzles out. Reddit has become way too corporate
In short; The root cause of the protest wasn't enough for the mods to sacrifice their accounts for. Maybe one they'll find something they truly believe in, but this wasn't it.
Maybe, but also the mods perhaps saw that the only ones getting punished were the community, so they reopened and gave those subs back to the users.