Imagine a world without Apple, Facebook and Google!!
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Yeah, but then again, we didn't all have little computer/TVs in our pockets that could give us directions when we're lost, so there's pluses and minuses.
Tiny screens that can access almost the totality of human knowledge and creativity.
That's the ideal. The problem is there is so much disinformation and poor information that finding reliable accurate information is more difficult and requires effort that the majority don't make.
Having the world's information at your fingertips is great, but having people actively trying to dilute or distort it is not.
The real trick is finding that one thing that does the job you want it to.
For years I'd been looking for an app to tune my guitar with. All the ones I could find would just play a fixed set of 6 notes, then you have to tune it by ear. Half the screen was taken up by ads.
Then some random thread pointed me towards an app called Tuner on FDroid. This uses your phone's microphone to listen to any note you play, then it shows the note on a musical stave, and the bottom half of the screen is actually a frequency chart which shows the bounds of the note and where the microphone hears it. You can actually see the bending of the note from when you pluck the string and raise the pitch slightly to where it rings on its own, and decide where to tune to fit as you like. You can also tune to any sort of alternate tuning that your heart desires. An in-line tuner is probably still better (in particular against background noise) but this was the kind of thing that should have been widely available from the start in phones.
But such apps are not advertised, you have to stumble across them, and there's no easy way to sift through all the shit to find them.
The real problem is in how everything is monetised. Most of these apps and services are very cheaply and easily made, and as such there are people who want to make them, purely on a whim. But the good ones get drowned out by the money-grabbing ventures that don't actually fulfill objectives. Somewhere around the 00's the ethos of software development changed from being focused on the user experience to being focused on how the publisher could extract revenue from users, and that is a monumentous shame.
I've been using a tuning app that's similar through 4 phones now. It was taken off the store like 7 years ago, but I kept the apk and keep gimping it along.
The lack of support is actually great, because all the ads went away a few years ago.
Here's a screenshot:
Thanks for posting this picture. I had a different app with the name "Tuner" (by Bill Farmer) installed, also from F-Droid, and thought you were praising that one, but while it has a lot of advanced options one might never use, as well as an incredibly ugly UI, this one (by Michael Moessner) just seems more user-friendly to me.
Other tuner apps in F-Droid worth mentioning:
- ccgt
- Cythara
- Tunerly
- Practice Suite (toolkit for musicians)
- Fiddle Assistant (for violin, with note log)
Yeah, like I say it was something of a Eureka moment when I came across it. It just works, then the fiddling is with the fine tuning of the instrument to get it exactly where you like. There's also a "scientific mode" which shows some funky waveforms.
Practice Suite definitely sounds interesting, I'll be sure to go through them all and check them out.
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Yes. All software companies now seem to go through the same cycle. Offer a good product at a cheap price or free. Build market share. Start adding features for a fee. Start packaging those features, so you can't buy the feature you want without buying others. Move to a subscription system. Keep updating to add more monetisation. Start hiding original features behind paywalls. Start to die off.
Obviously, there is the user as product version too which is similar but with ever worsening waste of your time rather than money.
There has been very limited improvements from a general user perspective in either phones, PCs etc over the last decade. It's been incremental cosmetic only for many. An iPhone 4 or old Nexus phone does most of what current phones do. Graphics has improved for gaming, but games are often less fun and more grinding and cosmetics. It's infuriating.
We should have a vast wealth of knowledge that is easily accessible. Instead search engines are programmed to sell to us rather than inform us. I think the biggest part is the disparity of knowledge. If Facebook Google etc had to document how much, to the cent, they made off each customer and each search, users would be more savvy and perhaps more willing to avoid them. I think Facebook will try to avoid the paid users in Europe as they will likely be less valuable. If the make their price high enough to cover the same revenue, they will likely have no customers and spook existing customers.
It's maybe not a perfect fit, but personally I think it's all shades of enshittification, a term coined by Cory Doctorow here:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.
Yes, it matches in a way. However, I think it's not just enshittification, it's that the good or even slightly better products get buried beneath all the trash.
Unfortunately,.monetizing users leads to a rush to gain users over having a viable business model or a viable product. The users become the goal and decisions around the product are guided by that Enshittification is definitely a result of that.
There has been very limited improvements from a general user perspective in either phones, PCs etc over the last decade. It’s been incremental cosmetic only for many. An iPhone 4 or old Nexus phone does most of what current phones do. Graphics has improved for gaming, but games are often less fun and more grinding and cosmetics. It’s infuriating.
See I find this trend kind of interesting. Performance in desktop PC's plateaued long ago, and soon after laptops, then phones were a little way behind but now they're at the same point. There really isn't that much benefit to getting a new phone, so long as your current phone still works (and the main thing there is battery life).
Phones definitely need to be more open. However, I believe that state actors have got their fingers far too deep in the pie - no open source hardware has ever managed to find its way to market, because doing so would deny low level access to the device, perhaps via the black box "security chips" that encryption is often offloaded to. But these are the most personal of devices - they're the ones we carry with us everywhere we go. They're the ones we should have the greatest level of privacy with, and instead they have the lowest fundamental security for the user. Even in hackable phones, you often have to "ask permission" from the manufacturer to unlock the bootloader.
Granted, I don't think low level exploitation is something that most people need to worry about. It seems like whatever backdoors may be in there are kept very well guarded and seldom exploited - rather, they'll exploit the apps you use first. But apps have so many security holes it's almost comical.
The NSO's Pegasus toolkit infiltrated Android phones by sending a WhatsApp call. Through this, they were able to gain full access to the phone in a zero-click exploit. I'm sure there was a bit more nuance to it, but ultimately they expoited privilege WhatsApp had that it really, really shouldn't have had. WhatsApp patched the exploit, not Android (although I suspect maybe it had something to do with hidden Facebook system apps that manufacturers bundle, outside the Google Play Store).
TL;DR Don't run any apps unless you have to, or you particularly feel like you can trust them. FOSS is a good start, in particular popular FOSS apps where you can be reasonably sure that someone else is checking the code for their own benefit.
That and Trump speeches, but still...
While also tracking everything you do.
Also SO MANY TITS
We had that before smartphones
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We can have devices in our pockets that give directions without Apple, Facebook or Google. OSMAnd maps does that very well, hell it has far more details than even Google Maps. I can spot where individual park benches are and all sorts of meaningless yet somehow joyfully pointless landmarks.
I've run an Android phone without Google Play Services for several years now, and haven't missed out on anything much more than Google Pay (which I really question the need most people claim towards).
FYI, contactless card purchases are treated as "cardholder not present", which is akin to an old telephone catalogue purchase. As far as the bank is concerned, when you transact this way the seller accepts default responsibility for a faulty purchase. If you use Google/Apple Pay, or Chip & PIN, then the buyer takes responsibility via their PIN or their phone password. So using these services actually puts you on the back foot when it comes to exercising your consumer rights.
It would have happened without them.
Yeah, and those companies would turn out just like them.
I literally can't, I wasn't alive, wasn't for 9/11, or columbine either. If anyone ever wonders why Gen Z is the way it is, that's why, those events and more (hehe climate change) have plagued our lives since birth.
They've plagued the lives of Millennials, too, just more directly. Even old Millennials were still children when Google was first created.
Gen Z is what you get when people grow up with the ubiquity of the internet and a bleak outlook. It's a recipe for people who know how to mobilize, and I'm here for it.
I can't believe I didn't mention how important the internet and 21st century technology is to Gen Z. While it certainly has its harms, it's been vital for the spread of information, and we kind of just grew up using it daily like most, but since almost birth.
Just to epitomize that, I learned the windows shortcuts (control c, control v, etc) before I learned how to tie my shoes or ride a bike and I had classes that taught Java coding in junior high.
Gen Z is what you get when people grow up with the ubiquity of the internet and a bleak outlook.
Only Gen Z that's hyper involved in certain forms of politics(and you'd find people of any generation are pessimistic when they're involved in those same forms) like most Gen Z on here. I'm Gen Z, and of course so are most of my friends- we're pretty optimistic. But, I guess, generalizations based on generation have always been pretty meaningless.
Shudder
Antidisestablishmentarianism. That word contains neith Apple, Facebook nor Google.
Plus I'm pretty sure most other words don't contain those brand names, either.
You did give him a good chance. Is that not the longest word outside chemistry and gibberish children's songs?
someone would be doin it. it may be better to imagine a world without the internet
It's okay, it's just business! You can do anything you want as long as it's just business.
It's like saying "no offense" after saying something totally offensive!
"I'm being brutally honest here!" As they can't figure out any other way to articulate saying the same thing without it being as blunt and offensively direct as possible
Including not paying taxes, polluting with impunity, not inspecting your product so it's tainted with E. Coli, etc. At best they'll get a fine which is %0.001 of their annual revenue.
"Very legal and very cool."
It's not a war crime if it's the first time..
I think it is time to de-federate threads.net, facebook.com, and everything Meta from every Lemmy and Mastodon instance in response to this.
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"You can be unethical and still be legal; that's the way I live my life haha" - Mark Zuckerberg
Vice versa, many things that aren't unethical are illegal nevertheless, which makes mindless people think they're unethical - such as free trading, doing drugs, or simply deciding opening hours of your own shop, to mention a few...
🤔 "Why should doing drugs be illegal?"
🤡 "Because it's unethical!"
🤔 "Why do you believe it's unethical?"
🤡 "Well, duh, because it's illegal!!!"
🤯
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Rigged market capitalism and embracing insatiable greed as our core cultural value has destroyed us.
It's over, this is just leftover momentum. The engine is half a mile back in a million pieces. Something new will have to be built, or we can just continue to subsist inside the capitalist's fully purchased and propagandized capital farm.
We're a bunch of cowards that confuse guns with bravery though, so probably the second one.
Total system collapse is the only way things will get better down the road. The people with power in this world have lost their last shreds of humanity, and the people without power are too beaten down to do anything about it.
Capitalism shining bright as ever
I've never immediately felt the need to punch a face ever before seeing the guy on the left. I know Mark has a slappable face, but that guy grinning makes me want to punch him.
Who is the guy on the left? He's giving off a Montgomery Burns vibe.
Google CEO Sundar Pichai
Yeah I didn't know at first but now knowing who it is, the need to punch is now tripled.
I mean look at that fucking grin! That's a grin of "hue hue, I am CEO of a multi-billion dollar tech corp and I know my corporation has such a stranglehold on a lot of things in the internet world! YOU'RE ALL MY SLAVES TO MY SERVICES PEASANTS!"
Thanks!
They both need a swift kick to the ass and then the teeth.
Greedy fucks.
Lemmy users: "they should be best down. That would solve our problems."
We should probably be pointing fingers at the legal system in the U.S. for taking no kind of legal action or executive actions to change laws. Facebook and Google can get away with what the laws don't prohibit. Europe is a good example these days that tech giants don't make the rules and enough pressure and changes can force their hands because in the end they want to exist to make money.
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