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[-] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 165 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not so funny when it actually happens to you:

Because of really bad experiences with alcoholics as a child, I am afraid of people who drink. My psychologist and my doctor wrote that down.

When I became seriously ill and could no longer work in my old job, I had to retrain. To do this, you have to go to the German employment office and get an assessment of your strengths and weaknesses, including what your doctor and therapist have to say.

They read the paper from my doctor and my psychologist, but just skimmed over the words and decided that because the word "alcoholic" was there, I must be the alcoholic. They told me that I could get paid retraining and benefits, but only if I attended a therapy group for alcoholics once a week - me, who is afraid of alcoholics because of the abuse I suffered as a child. .... I immediately started crying and swore that I had no problem with alcohol, only with alcoholics!

It took 6 months to get someone at the job centre to actually read the papers word for word to find out that me saying "I'm not an alcoholic" was not me being an alcoholic in denial. I got a half-assed apology and my retraining 6 months after I could have started it because of this. Not to mention that every time I refused to go to AA meetings they threatened to take away my benefits and I was in such a bad mental state that I probably would have killed myself without the help of my family. Oh, and my family who tried to intervene were labelled as co-alcoholics, holding me back.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 50 points 9 months ago

That is terrible and I am so sorry.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago

They do AA in Germany? I thought that pseudo science was just an American thing.

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[-] onoira@lemmy.blahaj.zone 115 points 9 months ago

I was diagnosed with anorexia because I was 5 kg 'underweight' and answered 'no' when asked if I had an eating disorder. Answering 'no' was apparently the justification for the diagnosis. It's still on my file 10 years later, despite now being 'over-weight' and always having had nominal blood test results. Conveniently, denying you have anorexia is a symptom, and so is asking to have the diagnosis removed, I guess.

This has completely blocked me from receiving medication and treatment, because any physical or pyschological ailment I seek help for gets blamed on 'my anorexia' and I'm referred to psychotherapy.

[-] FrostMyProstate@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

I'm in a similar situation with a bipolar diagnosis. I was diagnosed after speaking with a sketchy psychologist for 20 minutes at best. Apparently thinking you don't have bipolar disorder is a symptom of bipolar disorder.

Even after working with two other psychologists for well over a year and both diagnosing me with PTSD and that diagnosis perfectly matching my experience, not a single doctor will put that on my medical record. They won't refer me to appropriate treatment. They won't change my medication and tell me it works instead of asking.

I've been trying to get this fixed since 2008, but I just get shut down immediately after bringing it up. I'm barely getting by due to very poor mental health and everything just keeps getting worse.

[-] gr0nr@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

Have you talked to a medical malpractice lawyer about your original diagnosis? Most will do an initial consult for free and work on contingency. In this rock-paper-scissor world lawyer beats doctor.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 20 points 9 months ago

That is so fucked up. I hate the lack of self awareness the medical field has with regard to the impossible situations it puts some patients in.

[-] lseif@sopuli.xyz 16 points 9 months ago

same with autism (in a social sense not medical).

[-] Twofacetony@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I believe you when you say you’re not anorexic, or ever had anorexia, but as a 43 year old man, who is 185cm tall, my healthy range is 63-86 kilos.

I am 82 kilos give or take a meal, and if I lost 15 kilos I would be very, very slender, and that would still keep me well in the “healthy” range.

What I’m saying is the healthy range, to me at least, should be taken with a pinch of salt, and it’s shithouse that your diagnosis has vexed you for over ten years.

[-] devdad@programming.dev 111 points 9 months ago
[-] TheBlackLounge@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago

Congrats, how many years are you sober?

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago
[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Born again huh.

[-] cryptiod137@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh, so you don't like it when other drink then?

Edit: that's literally the response my buddy gets every single time it comes up, every single time without fail, even from other people who don't drink.

[-] devdad@programming.dev 30 points 9 months ago

Haha yeah it’s weird how NOT drinking is weird. I couldn’t care less what other people do, nor what they think of me; drinking is just no longer appealing to me

No idea why you got downvoted so bad, I guess I did have the benefit of your edit when I read your reply.

[-] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Right?

I mean, you teach yourself to drink something that tastes rotten. It impairs your ability to think and accomplish basic tasks. It increases your risk for legal trouble. It can make you vomit and sick the next day. It damages your internal organs, and it costs a ton. Finally, it traps you into needing it.

Yet, it's the people who DON'T do it who are weird?

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[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 29 points 9 months ago

What the fuck?

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[-] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Sure buddy what ever you say

[-] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 82 points 9 months ago

“I don’t have time for alcoholism—I’m too busy shooting heroin.”

[-] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

At least your not a Morman

[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 11 points 9 months ago

No, I am only one man, not more men.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago

"My psychiatrist prefers to say that I have a 'substance use disorder' and cautions that the old 'alcoholism' model isn't very scientific."

[-] driving_crooner 40 points 9 months ago

"I don't limit myself to just alcohol"

[-] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago

Modern problems require modern solutions.

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Fortunately, alcohol is a solution. Unfortunately, far from modern.

[-] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago

Pure Ethanol isn't a solution it's a solvent!

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 36 points 9 months ago

I drink a lot less now that I have easy access to THC.

This goes for a lot of other bad things, too. "Just to get it out of the way, I am not a child molester".

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[-] DaGeek247@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago

Only acoholics actually need to try to convince others that they aren't alcoholics. Nobody goes up to a person on the street to start aggressively asking if they have a drinking problem.

Any serious questions about how alcohol is affecting your life will quickly demonstrate whether it is is or isn't a problem, without you ever saying that you don't have a drinking problem.

[-] Entropywins@kbin.social 32 points 9 months ago

Sounds like you have a drinking problem...

[-] HeChomk@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

I don't have a drinking problem. I drink, I get drunk, I fall down, no problem!

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[-] habanhero@lemmy.ca 22 points 9 months ago

It's because denial is part of being an alcoholic. The same goes with being called a liar.

[-] Alto@kbin.social 25 points 9 months ago
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[-] GoroAkechi@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

It’s pretty easy, actually. I drink around twice a month. No one could credibly accuse me of alcoholism.

[-] andmonad@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Exactly what an alcoholic would say

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[-] WorkIsSlow@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I literally just threw up. I feel better now though.

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[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 13 points 9 months ago

I dodged it as a youth, no point starting it now.

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[-] LoraxEleven@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

That's exactly what a fuckin boozer would say, also.

Although... I've been drinking since about October o'clock.. so, what the fuck would I know about it, anyways.

(I say: they can stop anytime you want me to.)

Cheers!

[-] MrShankles@reddthat.com 11 points 9 months ago

I'll drink to that?

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 11 points 9 months ago

Drinking just isn't my sort of thing

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[-] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

"I have about three drinks a week and get drunk maybe once or twice a year. I'd say I'm the picture of moderation, but I'm not really concerned with how you feel about my drinking habits."

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