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Isnt it like a binary choice? It annoys me that fellow peeps are this stupid if my understanding is correct...
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Yes. They are this stupid. Or this is propaganda by big corporations in favor of Republicans.
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Civics classes have been cut for decades. Even when I was a kid they never explained that you had to vote for someone you didn't like.
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The primary election isn't about who will be president. It's about who will be a given party's candidate (to be president.).
which means that right now, Biden is not competing with Trump, and Trump is not competing with Biden, because they're in diametrically apposed parties. refusing to even consider alternatives to Biden when Biden is extremely and deeply unpopular across large swaths of the DNC base is... pretty myopic... if you're goal is to defeat Trump in November.
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Not voting is an option :(
(Edit to add: To be clear, I put a frowny face because it's an option some people take, but I wasn't endorsing it. And I'm not American...)
Seriously, fuck that. Pick a damn lane, you don't not vote when Hitler/his modern day political equivalents are in the picture...
What's Nikki Haley's deal besides she's a she?
Then we should all vote for the guy that allowing genocide like Hitler did, right?!? Because genocide is the lesser evil, right?
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If you mean vote for him vs. not vote for him, then yes.
If you mean vote for him vs. the Republican nominee, then no, as there are other options. For starters the article seemed to suggest that some may just not vote at all. They also might vote for him but do so reluctantly, e.g. without discussing with their friends strongly promoting the voting for Biden as they did in the last election.
But it's a long way to the actual election, and campaigning has not started in earnest yet.
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If you want to vote against Biden do it between February and June during the primarys. Primary races are the time to vote with your heart find your dream candidate and go for it. In November you have 2 choices.
Multiple choices. Dem, GOP, third party, refrain from voting, etc
Unfortunately, due to the systems we have in place, anything past the first to amounts to being a conscientious objector. Which generally just means the greater of two evils has a greater chance of succeeding.
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Unfortunately, due to the systems we have in place, anything past the first to amounts to being a conscientious objector. Which generally just means the greater of two evils has a greater chance of succeeding.
you'd be right. Except right now, this is Primary Season, not regular election season. the RNC has nothing to do with what is essentially a choice internal to the DNC as to who their best candidate is supposed to be.
it's patently disingenuous to say that right now, a vote for any one other than Biden lets somebody whose not even up for DNC candidacy win. according to Biden himself, there are fifty other candidates who're able to beat trump. So there's far more than 2 choices.
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Nope 2 choices "DEM vs NOT DEM" or "GOP vs NOT GOP" America has a first past the post voting system it looks like an election between candidates but it's effectively each candidate versus the 50% threshold.
There's not even a 50% threshold, it's just whoever receives the most ballots cast. They might win with only 10% of eligible voters in a state, as long they have at least 1 more vote than anyone else on the ballot.
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You mean, like the primaries that dems are purposely not holding because the feckless are afraid of actual progressives?
Like, the primaries that are supposed to be going on… now?
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These young voters live in different cities, work different jobs and have varying political beliefs. But among the things they have in common: They voted for Joe Biden in 2020 — and now say the president can’t count on their support in 2024.
“I genuinely could not live with myself if I voted for someone who’s made the decisions that Biden has,” said McKenzie, a 23-year-old working at Starbucks and as a union organizer in Madison, Wisconsin. “I didn’t even feel great about" voting for Biden back in 2020, he said.
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I really think people would be happier if we set reasonable expectations for elected officials. Biden says he's gonna eliminate student loans? Yeah, no. Maybe, if we're very lucky and the lobbyists are feeling lazy we'll get $20,000 for the most in debt. The rest of you are on your own. (I don't blame Biden, the illegitimate Supreme Court did it, but there's nothing we can do about that.)
Stopping war? Nah, the US has been at war most of its history. Neither side is gonna stop it. Too much money to be made. But at least if we vote for Biden he'll pretend to feel bad about it, which is nicer than being a dick.
We're not getting universal health care. We're not getting better education. If we elect Biden next year there will still be twelve million children who are food insecure. Capitalism will continue to exploit you, and make you miserable, and then make you feel bad for being miserable.
But at the very least the government will feel badly about all the things they're doing/can't do. And that's about the best I've learned to hope for.
The Biden admin has forgiven 132bil in student loans so far. Not the 400bil the supreme court stopped, but way, way more than any other administration ever.
The key is that they have done it in small 5bil drips and drabs. This is a double edged sword in that the news has barely covered it, so there is no push to stop it. He can keep forgiving student debt, but only if no one notices and gets the corrupt courts involved.
Exactly my point: Lower your expectations.
It’s not going to happen overnight. It probably won’t happen at all, given the structure of our government.
But he’ll make nice noises while the world burns and we all go broke and that will be a bit more pleasant.
the student loan situation he has managed to finagle is incredible compared to what was before. interest can increase original principle, payments based on income and if its not paid back in 20 years its forgiven. And health care wise the no surpise billing is huge. I mean no previous president did either of these things and honestly would not be surprised if things like this got rolled back if its not him. but whatever.
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I haven’t heard any of them say “I think I’ll get what I want under trump,” so I’m not scared about the youth vote. I’m scared about the successful voter fraud.
Turnout matters, though. Biden in 2020 won more votes than any presidential candidate in history, but the second place winner was Trump in 2020. There will be similar loyalty to Trump on the right in 2024, and if Biden can't match that, he loses. So I'm not afraid of the youth vote either, but I am afraid of the lack of it.
Trump doesn't need people to vote for him, he just needs enough that stay home.
Voter fraud is exceptionally rare. Instead, worry about disinformation, propaganda, voter suppression, and what the GOP does this time, if it loses the presidential election.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“I genuinely could not live with myself if I voted for someone who’s made the decisions that Biden has,” said McKenzie, a 23-year-old working at Starbucks and as a union organizer in Madison, Wisconsin.
“It’s so complicated, because it almost feels like if I were to give my vote for Biden, I will be showing the Democratic Party that what they are putting out is enough, which is the bare minimum in my opinion,” said Camarena, a 24-year-old living outside the Bay Area.
Voters cited a number of policy areas that disappointed them, including insufficient moves to address climate change and Biden’s inability to fully cancel student loan debt or codify Roe v. Wade, as the president deals with a closely divided Congress.
While Biden and Democrats pushed to codify the protections of Roe at the federal level, congressional realities made legislative efforts impossible.
Biden wasn’t Kapp’s first choice as a candidate in the last election, and this year he plans to vote third party if the contest is a Biden-Trump rematch.
“I think that there is a chance” of Biden winning back her support, she said, adding that she expects the president to call for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war.
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