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The animator then asked Maher what the “downside” of “getting a vaccine” was, which caused the comedian to go on an anti-vax tirade.

“The fact that you the fact that you don’t even have a clue what’s the cost of getting a vaccine that you don’t know the answer to that. You completely want to shut your eyes to the fact that there are repercussions to all medical interventions, including a vaccine, all vaccines,” he ranted. “They come, they say side effects, just like every medication does. You can see it in the literature. They can’t write it on their back on the vaccine. So you have to dig them. And of course, there is a vaccine court because so many people have been injured.”

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 292 points 10 months ago (16 children)

Maher is one of those older guys who thinks they figured everything out 30 years ago and doesn't need to try any more. The epitome of a lazy, entitled boomer.

[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 97 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The problem with Bill Maher has nothing to do with his age. He sucks, it's true, but lots of guys exactly the same age as him do not suck.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 124 points 10 months ago (9 children)

lots of guys exactly the same age as him do not suck.

I get that but it's absolutely connected to his age. He's spent the last 30 years in a bubble of wealth and privilege and has never had any pressure to update his thinking.

[–] Lavitz@lemmings.world 61 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This. He has no idea what it's like to be an average person anymore so his commentary is disconnected and misses the point. The guy lives in an echo chamber... I honestly can't believe he still has a show because I don't know anyone that still watches.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What amusing is that he frequently accuses both the left and the right of existing in their own little bubbles. Self awareness isn't his strong suit.

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 32 points 10 months ago

Exactly. His successes have fueled his ego into thinking all his opinions are important and correct. His failures are haters or people who "don’t get it."

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 175 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

"Explain to me how the vaccine is bad."

"OMG dude you're so dumb for not knowing."

"Okay... So just tell me what's so bad about them?"

"Dude, just stop being stupid."

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[–] CodeName@infosec.pub 129 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Maher fought back, explaining he believes high-risk groups, such as the elderly and the obese should be vaccinated, but elite athletes such as tennis star Novak Djokovic and NFL quarterback Aaron Rodgers “didn’t need it.”

Uh, Bill you're 67 years old. You are a part of the elderly. Now turn off Fox news, put down the remote and take a nap.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nick Cordero was a Broadway performer and was in extremely good physical shape. Healthy, young, and fit. COVID still killed him. Being in good physical condition doesn’t inherently mean safety.

It’s remarkable to me how quickly we forgot the terror of the early days of COVID-19, before we had the vaccine and before we really knew what we were dealing with.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 121 points 10 months ago (10 children)

To play devils advocate: He isn’t entirely wrong. There are inherent risks with vaccines, and they can and do cause harm to a small percentage of people.

Now to stop talking crazy: The harm caused is extremely rare, and the percentage of affected people is quite small. These risks aren’t unknown or hidden, and they usually come from allergies or a compromised immune system’s.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 64 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Right.

This is basically the same as saying that wearing a seatbelt is a terrible idea, because in rare cases it causes terrible damage to the wearer.

Let's just ignore the hundreds of thousands of people it helps and cherry pick cases that look bad. It's not like we're a people who rely on rational thought to progress.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Before I got any of my COVID vaccines, the nurse explained the risks, what to look for and gave me a pamphlet.

I'm not listening to Maher or MacFarlane about it because they don't know what they are talking about.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

MacFarlane seems to have read the brochure, at least. He wouldn't be my go-to for health care advice, but he does appear to be reasonably well informed.

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[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 120 points 10 months ago (13 children)

The way I see it is this: sure there are millions of reasons to hate drug companies. To be distrustful of them. But if my doctors say that something is the best course of action, of course I will do that. My doctor said that Covid vaccines are abundantly safe, as are flu vaccines. My doctor is great. I have great trust in her opinion. Therefore, I will get my Covid and flu vaccines as often as I need to.

I don't know fuck all about the way these things work. But I do know I trust my doctor because she has been through all the education and has a decade plus of being a family health doctor. I trust her. And I think people should be more inclined to trust their doctors rather than random weirdos on the internet.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 62 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I don't know fuck all about the way these things work. But I do know I trust my doctor because she has been through all the education and has a decade plus of being a family health doctor.

Tbh this is the same reasoning that medical providers utilize for their own healthcare. I specialize in orthopedics and rehabilitation......

Yes I know more than the average Joe, but med school was a long time ago, and you aren't really proficient in a field you aren't actively practicing.

When I want to know if a vaccine is safe and medically necessary I look to my esteemed colleagues from the department of infectious disease. I don't really see how anyone with an MD behind their name can really attempt to fool themselves that they know more about a disease and how to treat it than the entirety of specialized departments.

If my buddies from infectious disease are taking a vaccine, I'm not going to second guess it. To me, it's the equivalent of seeing a bomb tech sprinting away from a ied, and then deciding that there's no rush because you've never seen a bomb go off before.

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[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago (6 children)

But what about Dr. Chiropractor on Facebook that says that vaccines actually change your DNA?: "Through the RNA transcriptase of the aortic Golgi bodies?". He's a doctor. Those are big words. Plus, it involves me being victimized by a shadowy organization. It must be true!

[–] riskable@programming.dev 42 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Chiropractors are not doctors. They're scam artists.

Cracking your back might make you relax your muscles and as a result feel less pain for a short time but medically, it's of no more benefit than taking a hot bath.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 92 points 10 months ago (7 children)

The more mask off he goes the more I am shocked that even neolibs keep watching him.

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It was during the pandemic that he started going off the rails. It was around that time that he started complaining about things being woke and I felt like this was coming. It was the initially smaller comments until I stopped watching as he kept focusing on how things were too woke and it just got super annoying. Not surprised. Others are saying this shit started earlier but I didn’t notice till like 2020/2021. Haven’t watched since then but guessing it’s gotten worse.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 80 points 10 months ago

Fuck him. He’s sucked for a long time.

[–] zxk@lemmy.world 79 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Seth MacFarlane is not an animator. He hasn't animated anything since the 1990s. He's a voice actor and producer.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (8 children)

And an actor. He's the main star in the Orville, which he writes and produces.

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[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 79 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Why do people still pay attention to this blowhard? He was a smarmy asshole even when I agreed with him. Now he's leaning into right wing culture war shit to try to remain relevant.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 69 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Is he so fucking stupid that he thinks the NVICP was set up for COVID?

The NVICP was established as part of the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (Public Health Service Act, 1987; 100 Stat. 3756, codified as Title XXI of the Public Health Service Act at 42 USC 300aa-1 et seq. (Supp. V 1987)), but it did not become operational until the fall of 1988.

I bet I can count on two hands the number of COVID vaccine "injuries" that have been paid out from this fund.

Bill Maher is a moron, I don't understand how he is still on the air.

EDIT: Correction, the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) was actually started in May 2023.

EDIT2: I found the relevant data for this:

CICP data for COVID-19 claims (as of December 1, 2023)

Total COVID-19 CICP claims filed: 12,700

Pending Review or In Review: 10,863
Decisions: 1,837
    Claims found eligible for compensation: 38
        Claims compensated: 10
        Claims pending benefits determination: 27
        Claims with no eligible reported expenses: 1
    Denied: 1,799
        Requested medical records not submitted: 337
        Standard of proof not met and/or covered injury not sustained: 257
        Missed filing deadline: 954
        Not CICP covered product/not specified: 251

This is an incredibly small percentage of the vaccinated population.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh, these are very interesting numbers.

Total COVID-19 CICP claims filed: 12,700

Out of about 700M doses administered? That's 0.0018% of people who actually thought they had been harmed enough to actually file a complaint.

Decisions: 1,837

Claims found eligible for compensation: 38

And 2% of the people who thought they had something actually did.

That means that, of the 700 million doses of COVID vaccine that have been administered since 2020, 0.0000054% have resulted in an adverse reaction significant enough to merit financial compensation.

Thank you, Bill, for providing the information needed to prove your own point spurious.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bill Maher is a moron, I don't understand how he is still on the air.

There is a huge audience for reactionary bullshit. I'm embarrassed to admit that it took me too long to realize that's what he sells, but when half of every show was whining about trans people it got super obvious.

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[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago

Anti-vax is just another word for helplessly stupid

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 60 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Maher isn't funny at all, despite having a "comedy" show.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I've never found him particularly funny, but more importantly, and I say this as someone who did standup for a few years, he berates his audience when they don't laugh at his jokes. I used to watch his show, and he told his audience, "fuck you," when they didn't laugh numerous times. That is something you absolutely do not do in comedy. Even insult comics don't insult the audience for not laughing at their jokes.

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[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago

It’s unfortunate that some woman took a shit decades back and now we’re all still having to listen to the wet farts after.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The pair discussed the effectiveness of the vaccine, with the actor backing up the drug, while the Real Time host slammed the medical establishment in the U.S. for not promoting natural immunity.

“I would think this country did not allow for natural immunity to be considered. And I know this is a subject dear to your heart. Like, even if you had the disease, you still had to get a vaccine. That’s powerful stupid. They don’t do that in Europe,” Maher began.

MacFarlane fought back noting natural immunity had been debunked, as people repeatedly got the virus.

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

Okaaaay new rule. Maher is a great example for how politics has changed in the US the last 20 years, because he definitely hasn't changed (okay maybe in some ways), yet he's almost universally despised by progressives now.

Other comedians are going after him now too, Heidecker and Armisen produced a whole half hour satire of the odd chemistry he has on his "Club Random" podcast. Tim doesn't do the voice impression but it's almost funnier for some reason because of that. This is an absolutely hilarious example of it. "Hey you want some dope?" "Oh yeah sure... lets smoke this joint" "It's not weed stupid it's a CLOVE CIGARETTE." I dunno how Jeff Ross holds it together here, the roastmaster that he is.

Norm was one of the first to really go after him as "one of these comedians who try and be smart instead of funny." His appearances on Maher's show in that video are great, totally ruins what Maher is trying to do and makes the audience and guests crack up.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

The US media allows charlatans and grifters to rise to the top. Worse, their nonsense gets translated into Arabic and spread by our idiots.

Good thing I live in a country with mandatory vaccination.

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[–] Marthirial@lemmings.world 45 points 10 months ago

I got vaccine for Bill Maher and haven't cared about this obsolete Friday night filler for 3 years.

[–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (16 children)

he’s a douchebag for money. he is vaxxed himself.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would not want to debate Seth. He’s very intelligent and very quick witted.

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[–] n0m4n@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I grew up when polio was a scourge. A relative was an anti-vaxxer, and one of her children was not given the Salk vaccine. Her child lived his life in braces, and over his lifetime, literally had millions of dollars spent on trying to minimize the damage from that one ignorant choice. Their family was bankrupted, and the entire family lived in poverty from that point on, spending every penny that they could, trying to undo the damage. There is a true cost of not getting vaccinated, but double-blind meta study has not shown any cost tied to getting vaccinated for covid, for the general population.

Check for yourself.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36936964/

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[–] markr@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. This guy hasn't been relevant for years.

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[–] zxk@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Someone please name a funny Bill Maher joke

[–] Cyyris@infosec.pub 28 points 10 months ago

His career.

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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Is there something in the water? What the fuck is with this spread nonsense? How the shit did preventative medicine become a target for these people? Will they find toothpaste shouldn't be consumed en masse and rail against that?

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Bunch of people, mostly old dudes, have a fundamental aversion to not being the smartest person in the room. They latch on to whatever gives them the opportunity to be contrarian and in an environment of social media and disinformation they don't fully understand they spiral out into neofash, deluded stances becoming their entire persona.

Rant about something you're wrong about, get the whole internet telling you how dumb that is, get defensive because you can't be the one who's wrong, get radicalized. Welcome to the 21st century.

Source: I can't believe I didn't spiral down that toilet myself. Seriously, I should be one of those assholes. I can't believe I noticed just in time before the Internet weaponized that personality type into the death of democracy.

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[–] generic@iusearchlinux.fyi 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Vaccine court

There's a specific court just for vaccines? Is that by regular court and family court?

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They're allowed to use the Night Court set during the day

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In the USA, congress has set aside a fund for people with vaccine injuries. Idk about a court, I thought you just had to apply for the money or something

Edit: it’s sort of like a court case:

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation

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