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[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

MintLinux and Pop!OS are normally the two front-runners for new users. Basically, if you use Steam and you don't play online-only games with bad implementations of anti-cheat software, you are good to game on either.

Make a USB that you can "live boot" from, so you can test out how they work with your hardware. Generally spearking, Mint works better with AMD, and Pop! works better with Nvidea.

Here’s the official basic guide for Mint:
https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

And here’s the official basic guide for Pop!:
https://support.system76.com/articles/install-pop/

[-] ono@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

Do Pop!_OS AND Linux Mint have KDE Plasma variants, for newcomers who don't know how to swap desktop environments?

[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

I don't think they do. But once you've already started looking into swapping the desktop environment from whichever is the default, I don't think you can call yourself a newcomer anymore.

[-] ono@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Well, yes, that's why I asked. Some newcomers to linux find Plasma more familiar than GNOME et al. Having it preinstalled can help them get comfortable faster, with less effort.

[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

Wanting a windows-like environment makes sense. It's not specifically Plasma, but Mint has Cinamon which is very Windows-like.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

I was a Win XP/7 user that bought a laptop with Windows 8.1, emigrated to Linux, and found that Cinnamon felt more like Windows to me than Windows did.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

No; Linux Mint used to offer a KDE variant but have stopped; Linux Mint is the showcase distro for the Cinnamon DE, so obviously they have that, it is my understanding that Clem is active with the MATE team as well, so Mint MATE edition is a thing, and they also offer xfce as their lightweight offering.

Pop!_OS has their (IMO) godawful Gnome fork that they're turning into their own thing, and that's IT. They offer instructions on installing other DEs, which I tried once. I managed to install a very unpolished, ugly and feature incomplete version of Mint that broke flatpak somehow.

So if you really want KDE, just install a distro that ships it, like KDE Neon, Kubuntu or Fedora KDE Spin.

[-] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

I was using Mint with my Nvidia GPU for a while but found that games felt very laggy. Not sure what was going on but I switched to Kubuntu and that seemed to resolve the issue. (I assume the problem was something to do with cinnamon).

I like KDE and feel like the tools are more mature than they are in gnome or cinnamon anyway. Snaps are annoying but are fairly easy to avoid.

My vote is for Kubuntu for new users.

[-] tiny_parking@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

Don’t wait. Experiment now in a VM to learn the basics.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Or alternatively, make a live USB and boot it natively.

[-] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If I go this route, is there a way to take that VM I've created and just roll straight into it? Just install it on the boot drive?

I've got a Pop!_OS VM going already.

[-] tiny_parking@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I think there is a way technically with something like trueimage or clonezilla, but I’ve never used it. Always thought of my VM as a learning tool, and then used what I learnt to fresh install on real hardware

[-] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

Oh I never though of running those!

Clonezilla inside the VM to clone the "drive" and then clone that to the actual SSD

[-] CannonGoBoom@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago
[-] ebits21@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

Agree. There’s some nice familiarity there for the converted.

[-] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Basically, you should choose your distro according to the available UIs (DesktopEnvironments) as well as the philosophy and back-end configuration of the distribution.

UI (desktop environments):

  • KDE (Windows like)
  • Gnome (MacOS like)
  • XFCE (very barebones, windows like)
  • Cinnamon (also windows like)
  • CosmicDE (comming soon, mix of KDE and Gnome)


Distros:

  • Fedora: very stable yet a very progressive philosophy (usually implement major changes first). Comes in Gnome, KDE and other variants (spins)
  • PopOS!: "Just works" distro, great for NVidia cards. Currently still using Gnome but will soon switch to CosmicDE.
  • ArcoLinux: If you want something beginner-friendly but want to be able to change everything later. Extremely flexible, comes in many flavours like Gnome, KDE, ...
[-] ericjmorey@programming.dev 5 points 9 months ago

Nobara is Fedora with some additions that make it easier for new users to stay in point and click mode and have more things working out of the box..

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago

Abstract: Use Linux Mint.

Welcome to the Linux community! I say that so often I've bound it to an autokey macro, I run it for every newcomer I greet.

First bit of advice: Don't wait until Windows 10 is unsupported and you're FORCED to a new OS to start learning Linux. Simple reason: Linux is a very different system. There will be culture shocks. An example I cite a lot is Linux doesn't call them "shortcuts." What Windows calls Shortcuts, Linux calls Links or Launchers, depending on exactly what it does. A shortcut to a document is a Link, a shortcut to a program is a Launcher. Makes perfect sense...and is different than Windows. And those culture shocks will spend months throwing you around.

I switched to Linux because I HATED Windows 8.1...and I kept a copy of Win 8.1 on that computer for that wretched products' entire lifespan. In case I found something I didn't know how to do in Linux. There were times when I had...let's say an essay or something I had to turn in on a deadline, and this required a task that I knew how to do in Windows, but that's not how Linux works...I found it best to just do it in Windows, turn it in, then when I had plenty of time and no pressure, I could easily learn how to do it later. Eventually that kind of stopped, and then reversed. Nowadays Windows feels foreign to me and Linux feels like home.

I also suggest starting to use FOSS software applications like LibreOffice as soon as you can, because honestly the OS isn't the thing that causes the real problems, it's the software library.

As for which distro: It honestly doesn't matter all that much, They honestly have more in common than they have differences. The major component that you'll really feel the difference in at first is the desktop environment, and that's a personal and kind of visceral choice. There are people that absolutely adore GNOME. I absolutely despise it; this is no hyperbole, if given a choice between using GNOME and using no GUI at all just the terminal, I'm using the terminal. A lot of people really like KDE. I can't put my finger on why, but KDE feels dead to me. There's some uncanny vacant quality to KDE, it gives me the same feeling as a website that is still on the internet but hasn't been updated since 2006. Cinnamon feels like home to me, I'm very comfortable with it, other people can't stand it for reasons I don't comprehend.

This is why we have choices.

I do generally steer folks away from distros that are, basically "Forks of Kubuntu with our own non-specific special sauce that makes it good for [beginners/gamers/trout/Anglicans/veterans of the Falklands war/cellists/hackers]." Because their own special sauce is going to be a skin for the settings menu that's 10% jankier, and a different color scheme. I would stick to top level distros like Debian or Red Hat, MAJOR forks like Ubuntu or Fedora (though Ubuntu is going so corporate these days I actually try to steer folks away) or DE flagship distros like Mint, Pop!_OS or Neon.

This is my tenth year of using Linux Mint. It stands the test of time, it doesn't Just Break the way the memetastic rolling release distros do, the GUI feels complete but not bloated, and...to me it's home.

[-] vikingtons@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

not here to recommend a specific distro, I'm sure your experience will largely be familiar between the popular recommendations here.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised at just how good gaming on Linux is right now. You'll probably find that contemporary AAA titles perfom better than on win10/11.

I find that Linux is the best place to play older windows games. You don't get fucked over by annoying exclusive fullscreen behaviour messing with your desktop when you tab out, for example.

Shit really just works. It's a great time.

[-] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

ZorinOS. My elderly parents have been using it for years without any issues, so I can guarantee you that it's very noob-friendly.

However, if you'd like to game, I'd recommend using either Pop!_OS or Nobara instead. I'd recommend giving them all a try regardless, just create a bootable USB using Ventoy and chuck all the ISOs you wish to try.

[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop. It's designed to make the transition easy. The menus and taskbar are all in the same place as you'd expect them on Windows. There's the usual set of documents/pictures/downloads folders. The interface is good-looking and polished like you're used to, too.

[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Ubuntu or one of its derivatives like Mint or PopOS.

Fedora is pretty good too but is a little more cutting edge, essentially a beta test for Red Hat Enterprise Linuxs new features. Good stuff, is what I use, but also occasionally breaks things and requires some insight into linux. Still pretty polished and user friendly tho.

Play with Fedora or Ubuntu for a while and then explore other distros.

[-] WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The standard recs are Pop, Mint, Ubuntu, or Fedora. All great choices.

I'll just add the option of jumping straight into the deep end and installing Arch. It's not my distro of choice (I run Debian) but you will learn a lot by installing and running it.

[-] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's how I did it. But be careful: It won't be pleasant at first and very time intensive!

[-] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

Fedora. In my personal experience it has been much more sane and stable compared to ubuntu or tumbleweed, and my friends have preferred it over arch or kde neon, often for stability. The packages are up to date, games work great (even on nvidia) and it runs great on laptop

I’ve also heard good things about Pop!_os and mint, but I haven’t used either

[-] trigonated@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I also love that they don't seem to do much customization on the desktop environment, just a clean, default Gnome (which admittedly might not be ideal for many people due to some...questionable UX decisions).

[-] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 months ago

I'd suggest Debian Stable with KDE Plasma.

Debian is the grandparent of most distros today, instructions for it are everywhere, and it's got a large userbase.

[-] Gakomi@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

First of all I recommand that no matter what distribution you get, that you should get one that has KDE as desktop environment as it looks mostly like windows and that would make it easy for you to get used to it.

As for what distro to use well that depends. While searching for info on how to do things when I first went to Linux most posts that I found were for Ubuntu.

Which was annoying as I did not want Ubuntu and I was using Mangaro and later went to Arch.

Manjaro is based on Arch so you can use documentați and forum answers from both Manjaro and Arch. Also Arch has very good documentation but it's a little too technical for someone that just started using Linux and might confuse you more then answer your questions.

My recomandation would be Manjaro but Ubuntu seems to be easier to find info for!

I also recommend to use ChatGPT or better yet the edge specific ChatGPT(as it is connected to the internet) for answer to problems you have encountered. It's not perfect but it's very helpful.

[-] the803@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

I recommend Q4OS if you have an older machine; I learned Linux on Ubuntu because it's popular, but realized over time that having a huge community means there are a lot of clueless know-it-alls giving bad advice to noobs. Q4OS is big enough to be supported, and the focus on stability and keeping old machines running makes it friendly to casuals and oldnoobs who just want to keep using the hardware they've got. There's an .exe installer that will let you plunk it down into your PC without losing anything other than hard drive space.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm doing the same tbh. It's gonna be great (and painful) I have my scope trained at nobara

[-] Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago

id reccomend that you do not put yourself in a situation,
where you have to make the switch "cold turkey".

you can install linux as a dualboot setup,
preferably on a second harddrive.

most distros automaticly add an entry to boot windows in the grub menu.

i spent years switching back and forth,
untill i started using linux by default.

[-] monaho@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

If you do not have a friend to help you along the way, use the Linux Mint Cinnamon edition first. Download it now and use it in a VM to get used to it.

If you're feeling confident and would like to explore further, install Debian with GNOME or KDE. I suggest Debian because it's a large and independent distribution, community-built, rock solid stability, convenient or powerful as needed, and stays true to "the standards" (like the stock GNOME) and free software, but doesn't prevent you from installing proprietary software as needed. I moved all my friends who were willing to switch to Linux with zero experience to Debian (3 in total), but they had me to help and I didn't have to do anything after assisting the installation and the first day configuration. Now they're all independent, using it daily and never ask me for help.

Fedora is also a good option, but every release has only 1 year of support while Debian has at least 3 years and Mint has 5.

[-] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago
[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Sorry. Now my breath is fresh, which version of Linux should I use?

[-] Pringles@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

"Tips Fedora"

[-] fraksken@infosec.pub 1 points 9 months ago

Fedora or debian stable. I would recommend the KDE desktop environment as it closely reaembles what you're using now. try somw distro's and stick with what you like. I would not wait though. Just do it. welcome to the family

[-] forgotten_cloud@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

All the suggestions here are good, but actually Puppy Linux is also a good start. Try their latest BookwormPup64 release, it is very polished, solidly build, and most importantly small enough to install on you usb pendrive. Puppy linux runs in your ram, so it is super fast even on old basic hardware.

Give it a try.. I start using puppy after my pc crashed... Never look back to windoz since then..

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