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The mother of slain hostage Ron Sherman accused the IDF of 'poisoning' her son to death inside a Jabaliya tunnel.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

“The results of the investigation: Ron was indeed murdered,” she wrote. “Not by Hamas. Think more in the direction of Auschwitz and the showers but without Nazis and without Hamas as the cause. No accidental shooting, no report, premeditated murder, bombings with poisonous gases.”

According to her, the IDF filled the tunnel in which he was held with gas, and his son was poisoned to death.

“Ron was kidnapped because of the criminal negligence of all the senior officials of the army and the damned government who gave the order to eliminate him in order to settle a score with some terrorist from Jabalya.” The mother claimed that “they found that he also had several crushed fingers, apparently due to his desperate attempts to get out of the poison grave that the IDF buried in him when he tried to breathe air, but he only breathed IDF poison. There is no future for this country if this is what they did to you after they abandoned you that Saturday. What was the decision if Bibi’s son was there in the terrorist’s tunnel or Gallant’s grandson? Or the son of Hertzi Halevi? Would they also have been poisoned with gas bombs?”

-FTA, the mother's statements.

civilian casualties will happen in war. there's pretty much nothing that will stop that. Civilian casualties will always skyrocket though, when you use indiscriminate weapons... like gas attacks...

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I wonder how many Palestinian civilians have been killed with poison gas.

According to the US and it's Western allies:

Syrian army using gas is a war crime.

IDF using gas is perfectly fine.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Idunno.

I’m going to preface this with saying I believe it’s a war crime and we should be sanctioning Israel every bit as much as we’ve sanctioned Russia.

But a critical distinction might be getting made in how the poison gas is getting used. Like with white phosphorus- use as a smoke screen away from civilians is okay, use as shelling over civilians… not so much.

It’d be a bullshit technicality that the tunnels are enclosed and they believe no civilians are in there… but it’s an argument I could see working to satisfy my stupid, super-pac-addicted president.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)

IDF killing hostages is nothing new, but using poison gas is a brand new war crime.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A weapon banned by the Geneva convention because it indiscriminately murders everyone in the vicinity means that it's effective right? - israel

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[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (66 children)

Most moral army in the world poisons hostages it claims to be trying to rescue

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Interestingly enough I was assured by someone a couple days ago that Jerusalem Post was all pro-Israel propaganda, and I therefore couldn't trust a word out of its mouth. Apparently that person was grossly mistaken.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

They're not all pro-Israel propaganda, but they definitely have a significant pro-Israeli bent and need to be fact-checked.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 4 points 10 months ago

I mean, everybody does. Most things you read are going to be "only one side of the story" in one sense or another. I've just observed that a lot of Lemmy people jump very easily to "that source is biased I can reject everything in it completely" even when that source is publishing things like this that clearly do not have the bias they're claiming.

[–] hannes3120@feddit.de 3 points 10 months ago

If they publish something you don't like it's always easier to attack the source than the article.

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

From what I've read, it seems Israeli citizens fear the Hannibal Directive (originally about killing their own soldiers rather than letting them be taken hostage) is secretly being applied to civilian hostages. It was supposed to have been retired several years ago, but there are accusations from within Israel it was implemented on Oct 7th (for the portion of people killed by the IDF), and possibly for all the Israeli hostages that have been killed so far by the IDF in separate incidents.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You know the pictures of cars an burning bodies in October 7th?

Along with the "hamas plans" pictures they published.

The paper if you read it in arabic suggest the goal is to kidnap as much people as possible and attack check points.

What I believe happens is that hamas were attempting to stopping cars with people to kidnap them by driving back to Gaza. Those who refused to stop the car get shot at. Then the IDF response was to not allow any car to return to Gaza and killing there own civilians.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

There were interviews in Israeli media with the pilots of the Apache helicopters.

They had no idea who were in the cars but blew them up anyway thinking they could be Hamas fighters.

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