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The GOP Doesn’t Want to Punish Trans People—It Wants to Eradicate Them (newrepublic.com)

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[–] CultHero@lemmy.world 87 points 9 months ago (7 children)

The Republicans have been playing by the nazi playbook for a long time now.

Nazis didn't start with the Jews. They knew they couldn't get away with rounding up an entire ethnic group. They started with the LGBTQ community. They dehumanized lgbtq people in the eyes of the public and made it seem like they were doing it for the good of a pure and powerful Germany. When that worked they realized how easy it was to dehumanize an entire population in the eyes of the public and used the same tactics against Jews, Roma etc.

When you think about it the lgbtq community is the first line of defence protecting democracy because they are the most vulnerable and easiest to demonize. Once it's ok to eradicate one group of people it becomes so much easier to do the same to larger groups.

It won't stop at lgbtq people, they will keep eradicating every minority until they're actually stopped by force. So far they've gone after trans people, gay marriage, women's reproductive rights and have even talked about overturning Loving vs Virginia. Their goal is a straight, white, "Christian" male utopia.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not just the LGBT+ community, the trans community in specific.

https://forward.com/culture/549587/trans-book-burning-library-gay-pride/

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Might be obvious, but just to underscore it - if a conservative ever starts spouting nonsense about how "there wasn't no transgenders when we was kids" - yes there were, they just didn't know, and things like this are why

Also, just to put this research in some historical perspective - when this institute first opened its doors, we hadn't figured out insulin yet and the best treatment doctors had for diabetics was restrictive diets that ended up starving patients to death as often as not. Like, if those research institutes has gotten firebombed repeatedly over the years, a lot more of society would probably find the notion of people who can't eat sugar strange.

[–] sharkwellington@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Might be obvious, but just to underscore it - if a conservative ever starts spouting nonsense about how "there wasn't no transgenders when we was kids" - yes there were, they just didn't know, and things like this are why

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Exactly,

Many early 20th-century British and North American educators and physicians, albeit with a “scientific” rationale, insisted children should be made to write using their right hands. The methods used to obtain this result were often tortuous, including tying a resistant child's left hand to immobilise it. Typical of the reasoning to justify such practices is a 1924 letter to the British Medical Journal endorsing “retraining” of left-handers to write with their right hands, because otherwise the left-handed child would risk “[old word we don't use anymore] in mental development; in some cases…actual [old word]”. As late as 1946 the former chief psychiatrist of the New York City Board of Education, Abram Blau, warned that, unless retrained, left-handed children risked severe developmental and learning disabilities and insisted that “children should be encouraged in their early years to adopt dextrality…in order to become better equipped to live in our right-sided world”.

[–] sharkwellington@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

“children should be encouraged in their early years to adopt dextrality…in order to become better equipped to live in our right-sided world”.

I hate the obvious parallels here.

[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The saddest part is this trick has been working on humans for thousands of years. Is the issue the types who spin things this way, or the rest of us who fall for it? Seems like a human tragic flaw.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm starting to believe that human nature just always tends toward fascist tendencies. It's a constant battle against this shit, and it's exhausting. Then every ~100 years or so, the people who fought against it last die out, and everyone forgets what fascism does to a nation and the cycle repeats.

I'm tired.

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[–] maypull@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

the poem starts "first they came for the communists"

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

LGBT and communists were attacked at around the same time based on my knowledge of events, but is it really a surprise that the LGBT would be excluded from recognition based on the dominate cultures of the time?

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It depends on how you count.

Germany went through a Communist revolution immediately after (and a little bit during) WW1. The Communists won and took over Germany, getting rid of the monarchy. The far right in Germany went fucking wild with rage, a level of anger that really has no parallel in the modern US, and "cleansed" Germany. The Weimar Republic was formed roughly in the wake of that.

But that wasn't the Nazis, though many of the people involved in that did go on to become Nazis.

The Nazis did sorta go after queer, and specifically transgender, people first. (And "degenerate art"!)

The Weimar Republic, for its many, many, many faults (seriously here it's hard to overstate) did grow out of a Communist revolution even if it betrayed that revolution. They were actually issuing permits for people to live their lives as a different gender, similar to our modern conception of getting your paperwork changed in the US. One of the first things the Nazis did when they took over was to strike those permits down. (Or simply prosecute the people who held them. Or simply straight up murder them.)

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Do you think Pastor Neimoller would have a problem with them coming for the trans people?

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Pretty sick isn't it? Especially when you consider in their straight white Christian male utopia they will still be the underclass to the 1% of people who control more than half of the world's wealth. So you kill a bunch of innocent people and your still a poor racist scumbag piece of shit. Nice.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Their goal is power.

Being Christian, white, straight, and/or male is just a means to an end.

If they have to collectively suck the cocks of a bunch of gay guys if it will give them power, they'll do it and then execute them saying they were tricked.

[–] StinkyOnions@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I'm sure they would suck dick voluntarily.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 9 months ago (8 children)

and yet people will still say both sides are the same

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[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Transfolks: Be sure to get your passport squared away. Just in case we gotta jump ship.

[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Apply for visas now. Pack your bug out bag and be ready to drive to Mexico on a moments notice. Better 10 years too early than a day too late

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can't believe we're at this point, but yes. I'm close ish to the Canadian border and I'm a homeowner making good money but the minute I can't get hormones I'm gone. Never thought I'd have to live with this kind of anxiety in the US.

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[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 27 points 9 months ago

Fascism always needs a group to blame. Everything has to be someone else’s fault.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yep. And we are just as much of people as everyone else. Our elimination won’t be bloodless. And once they get a taste for blood they won’t stop and they’ll be harder to stop since their political violence is now established

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's LGBT now, hispanics later, black people much later, then probably just Democrats in general.

Anyone who isn't white, Christian, and Republican isn't welcome. And if you're not a man, you're not in control.

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[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 22 points 9 months ago (5 children)

“i sTILl not goNna vOtE” average disillusioned leftie

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"I don't like Trump, but Biden just doesn't excite me..."

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Them: "If people considered a third party candidate, this wouldn't be happening!"

Me: "Name the candidate that has a reasonable chance of beating both Trump and Biden."

Them: "..."

Except once. I had one person argue with me, seriously argue with me, that Cornel West could win the presidency because all kinds of strange things happen in the universe and you can't prove he won't!

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's almost like... there's a reason these 3rd party candidates aren't making it onto the big party tickets.

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[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

"We need to compromise with those people who want to kill you. They're not so bad you know, one of them invited me over for dinner last weekend and his wife said the funniest thing, you'd like her." - average moderate

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

gEnOcIDe JoE

Except Trump will be 1000x worse with respect to Israel. And not voting for Biden might as well be a vote for Trump.

[–] Human@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To all the upvoters: Average disillusioned leftie here.

Saying "I won't support Biden in the primary." is not the same as "i sTILl not goNna vOtE”.

I do not want ANY GOP to win any power, ever, anywhere.

We were saved by the young vote in the midterms and Biden has almost entirely lost those voters. Like it or not Biden is deeply unpopular. And I believe Biden would likely lose to Trump.

So how is pleading for a candidate from the DNC who stands a better chance at winning against the GOP an irrational position?

Please reexamine your politics - I am not your enemy.

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Yup. I agreed with the last 20 publications who tried to raise the alarm too.

[–] not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And next, the left-handed.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Damn it, and I thought I'd survive because I'm cis...

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Quick cut off your left hand while there is still time

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

But I already cut off my right hand like Jesus told me to!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You’re just to sinister

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Article misspelled 'anyone that's not like them'.

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

The GOP wants to be the demons of their fanciful hell who administer your "eternal punishment"

[–] cmoney@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Anti-Trans bills in the US. I found a website that tracks Anti-trans bills, giving a breakdown of how many are active, passed, and failed this year so far.

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

~~I'm not sure Mike Dewine is the best face for the top photo in this article. Sure he's a Republican governor in a state dominated by a Republican legislature that just passed a large bill targeted specifically transgender youth but he also vetoed that bill stating “I continue to believe it is in the best interests of children for these medical decisions to be made by the child’s parents and not by the government”. He might have it in for the older trans community but right now he seems like he not towing the party line here.~~

Nevermind, fuck this dude.

[–] Cogency@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

He turned right around and put many of the same bans in an executive order, and his veto was overturned. he's not in any way an ally. He was just trying to look more moderate than he is. https://www.acluohio.org/en/press-releases/governor-dewines-executive-order-de-facto-ban-transgender-care

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Yeah on second look seeing the new proposals for restrictions fuck him.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

You can always count on DeWine to do the right thing until his party hears about it and provides mild pushback at which point he goes full mustache twirling evil.

I hate my fucking government so much. Columbus is too cool of a city to be located in this shithole of a state.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago

he signed another transphobic bill recently

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