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[–] moon_crush@lemmy.world 115 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You see, we don’t want to actually do anything about the border, we just want to yell about it. — Rs

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Republicans for the last four years and more:

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Republicans since, at the very latest, Obama took office.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

Technically they don't give a shit, mostly. They just want their voters to be mad.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 106 points 9 months ago

"Senator, is this deal dead, effectively?” Fox News’s Laura Ingraham asked Hawley Thursday evening.

“I hope so,” Hawley said. “It should be. If it’s not dead yet it should be dead. There is absolutely no reason to agree to policies that would further enable Joe Biden.”

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 105 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Of course. Hawley is a traitorous coward.

Republicans would rather tank the country than pass good law under a Democratic president.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And they have on more than one occasion. It blows my mind that anyone could think of them as the fiscally responsible party. Then again, they also pretend to be the party of morality, so that all tracks.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They are fiscally conservative in name only.

This just happened in my state when Democrats wanted to provide breakfast and lunch for students. A Republican said "But we can hire more teachers!"

Someone asked, "So you would support a bill using this money to hire more teachers?"

You can imagine his response.

These assholes use these excuses to get in the news and get in sound bites. They should never be trusted by themselves.

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If the Dems agreed to a Republican law, the Republicans would probably filibuster their own law.

[–] Xiaz@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That is what happened here. Republicans came to the table and said “we will give you Ukraine aid if we get a border deal”. Biden undercut progressives and started making offers that Republicans wanted for Ukraine aid and to put his name on the border deal. So Republicans took their ball and went home.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

Right, the entire point was to make their fake border crisis seem legitimate by placing it in the same rhetorical box as a genocide in Ukraine. And super Saiyan Biden called their bluff like a boss.

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[–] Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago

Here is the key part the whole article is about:

“Senator, is this deal dead, effectively?” Fox News’s Laura Ingraham asked Hawley Thursday evening.

“I hope so,” Hawley said. “It should be. If it’s not dead yet it should be dead. There is absolutely no reason to agree to policies that would further enable Joe Biden.”

[–] Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 52 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because they are complete shitstains?

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They are so weak. There was bipartisanship until Trumpler criticized the bill. The GOP has no spine.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Honestly if the RNC had just put its foot down in 2016 and said "no, we will not be associated with Trump because the man is a fucking idiot" they would have eaten the loss in 2016, but would probably be in a much better place electorally now.

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[–] Quetzlcoatl@sh.itjust.works 51 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Spitballin here. What if we completely removed border patrol from the border and never arrested a migrant again. Take all those agents. Their full time job now is surprise inspecting every employer in america at random. Mandatory fine of $40,000 per undocumented worker caught being employed. Also first offense we pull your business license for 30 days. Second offense shut you down for 90 days. Third offense liquidate your business forever. How would our "border crisis" look at that point? Think about it. Remember during the drug war when we arrested users and left dealers and smugglers alone? Me neither. This is more in line with what youd actually be seeing if politicians actually gave a rats ass about the BoRdEr cRiSIs

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago (4 children)

You’d destroy multiple industries that result on exploiting illegal migrants, and low cost labor from those with green cards. Hospitality, sanitation, meat packing, construction, agriculture, etc all would come up floaters

The whiplash from average Americans would be incredible. We’ve priced in domestic exploitation into several industries, and US consumers have come to demand it, and more.

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (3 children)

so what I'm hearing is that America doesn't run on Dunkin', it runs on exploitation

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Always has.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I'd bet that at many points in the supply chain, Dunkin runs on exploitation.

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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's a good point, but at the same time this isn't indefinitely sustainable. Something has to give here. It's morally reprehensible that we exploit the desperate and vulnerable for cheap labor. It's economically dangerous that so many of our domestic industries are reliant on an illegal sub-minimum wage workforce. Both situations are breeding grounds for worse abuses like human trafficking and embezzlement.

I don't have a solution to this problem, but kicking the can down the road isn't a solution and doesn't seem like a healthy choice.

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[–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

See the problem is that I like cheap produce. The companies can afford to sell cheap produce and pay better though they won't. So they abuse this type of labor.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The problem isn't that you like cheap produce.

The problem is that corporations profit off of the exploitation. Your price could remain the same if the company was willing to accept less profit.

They would still be rich. Just not as rich.

And that's a problem with almost every company in existence.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe we need profit caps put into law.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That kind of system existed in post-WWII USA, when a high school graduate could work full time to afford a house while being the single income for a big family.

We called it 'taxes'.

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[–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I understand the point you're making, but it's still a massive waste of money to police a made up crisis.

It would make way more sense to document these people and give them a tax ID number to allow them to work legally. This would force employers to pay them at least minimum wage, provide worker protection measures, and pay payroll tax, and would allow citizens to compete with immigrants on their own merits. I suspect that immigrants would continue doing the exact same kinds of jobs they currently do, because they're mostly jobs Americans don't want, but without the level of exploitation.

As I said, this "crisis" is a made up one, one that's composed entirely of racism. If it was a real crisis, and not political theater, the Rs wouldn't want to wait nearly a full year to address it.

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[–] squiblet@kbin.social 36 points 9 months ago

Well sure. They want to campaign on it. It’s not as if they really want to end the availability of undocumented labor, too… definitely don’t want that. I mean, which industries depend on the 8-10 million people working in the US illegally? Their goal is to campaign on it, and keep immigrants marginalized so their buddies can keep screwing legal workers and taking advantage of undocumented ones.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 30 points 9 months ago

This isn't a surprise if you've listened to conservatives talk amongst themselves.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The GOP wants to rule, not govern.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Could it be because they're not genuinely interested in governing? I'm not gonna read the article because I already know the answer. Fuck the GOP.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Could it be because they’re not genuinely interested in governing?

The Border Crisis is predicated on US Senators shrugging their shoulders and insisting there's nothing to be done. This helps defer more power to the courts (where they were more than eager to govern by stacking the bench with far-right white nationalists) and to the border states (where guys like Abbot can poke a drowned kid with a stick under a giant "Mission Accomplished" banner to look tough on crime).

As soon as Trump is back in the White House, you can guarantee they'll produce all sorts of sadistic legislative reforms that they can ram through a flimsy Democrat opposition.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 19 points 9 months ago

Like when he spilled the GOP strategy to use the repeal of Roe to further sort voters and get a GOP advantage in the Electoral College: https://www.businessinsider.com/josh-hawley-overturning-roe-v-wade-help-republicans-electoral-college-2022-6

What a dumbass.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The republican traitor swine must be dealt with in the harshest possible manner allowable by law.

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[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They killed it? That's odd, Schumer just announced they'll be voting on it next Wednesday!

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, the vote is going ahead but unfortunately

Speaker Mike Johnson reportedly warned it would be "dead on arrival."

Article here.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

MAGA "Moses Orange Ass Kisser" Mike Johnson reportedly warned it would be “dead on arrival.” With offer any reason why, other than stinky orange said so

It would make Biden look good, which is all the reason they need to kill it.

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The GOP in general seem to be very ineffective civil servants.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Their purpose is to destroy the government. They have repeatedly said this since the 1980's.

Can we stop being surprised?

[–] ckellyusa@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Is it legally possible to recall all of Congress and Senate and demand all new representatives?

[–] force@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The US doesn't have dissolution of congress, no

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Get out and vote.

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