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Italy’s new Piracy Shield has just gone into operation and is already harming human rights there (walledculture.org)

submitted 8 months ago by psychothumbs@lemmy.world to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[+] NoLifeKing@ani.social 118 points 8 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Its literally a violation of the EU human rights agreement…

Is it? In Portugal there have been a similar law for years and nobody cares apparently. It isn't as wide as the Italian one, it just says ISPs are required to block access to websites a govt. entity lists.

Also no company will comply with that shitshows ridiculous orders.

Are you sure? Think about it... “All VPN and open DNS services must also comply with blocking orders”. A VPN provider can’t legally sell their services in Italy unless they comply. The best part is: since the govt is blocking websites they can also block providers who doesn’t play according to their rules :)

[+] NoLifeKing@ani.social 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 10 points 8 months ago

VPNs are extremely easy to detect and block. You need to do deep packet inspection but it can be done if they're willing to pay for it.

This is what it's going to come down to, whether ISPs will be willing to eat the costs for all the blocking.

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[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

The article itself says Google is already complying. Come on man

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 69 points 8 months ago

look italy. just stick to what you know

pizza

pasta

mafia

and so on

[-] Kir@feddit.it 52 points 8 months ago

Piracy Shield is indeed brought to us by (soccer) mafia

[-] kumatomic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 8 months ago

I mean to be fair they did invent fascism so this law isn't a stretch.

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[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 20 points 8 months ago

Entertainment industry is literally a mafia so this is on brand.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

That's a funny waybto spell "sexual assault".

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 8 months ago

I bet VPN providers in privacy respecting countries are seeing a large increase in subscribers from Italy now.

[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

Or not. "All VPN and open DNS services must also comply with blocking orders". A VPN provider can't legally sell their services in Italy unless they comply. The best part is: since the govt is blocking websites they can also block providers who doesn't play according to their rules :)

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 8 months ago

Someone will figure out a way to get around it. People can get a VPN through the great firewall of China, they will get through whatever Italy does as well.

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago

For just a bit more than a VPN subscription, you can rent a VPS and route your traffic through it. Basically, be your own VPN.

Maybe this law will spur innovation and skills in sysadmin, like how people who grew up before smart phones actually had to learn how computers work.

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[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 13 points 8 months ago

This is a definite no for moving to italy. They should also be kicked out of the EU for this.

[-] M500@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

I’m not an Italian citizen and I don’t live there.

Their laws do not apply to me. An Italian citizen or resident can go online and buy vpn service from me. There is not law im subjected to that says I can’t sell vpn services to Italians.

[-] ex_06@slrpnk.net 8 points 8 months ago

I am both but my other comment is kinda getting ignored lol

I don’t even need a vpn to pirate, it’s business as usual.

All this stuff is just for IPTVs that stream soccer matches because Calcio is the king sport here.

The site posted by OP is kinda useless journalism lol. AirVPN quit just for a reason: they are an Italian company. Mullvad, Proton, Quad9… Business as usual.

[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

An Italian citizen or resident can go online and buy vpn service from me. There is not law im subjected to that says I can’t sell vpn services to Italians.

This isn't true. If you don't comply with the other law regarding the website blocks then the Italian govt will politely ask you to. If your business happens to be on another EU member state they might even try to get your local authorities involved in the asking. Either way, if you don't comply or they can't reach you (cause you're ouside the EU) they'll proceed to block your website / domains in Italy and no more business for you.

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[-] Madeyro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago

Could you buy another VPN through a VPN?

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[-] ex_06@slrpnk.net 11 points 8 months ago

I’ve been using quad 9 dns for years and torrenting without issues.

These laws are made just to make happy the people getting rich with calcio streamings and alike. IPTV and stuff is enforced, for the rest it’s just business as usual

[-] retro@infosec.pub 13 points 8 months ago

I'm sure your aware but for people who aren't... Only changing your DNS doesn't hide your traffic, only your DNS query. They can't see you are resolving 1337x.to but they CAN see you access 104.31.16.118. This is why a VPN is important as it stops your ISP from seeing all of your traffic.

[-] ex_06@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 months ago

Yep, good to note for other people. I’m aware but here torrenting is kinda allowed. If you do it for yourself and without any profit motive you can just keep going without any kind of issue

The dns change is just to not have to use proxies to access stuff like libgen and piratebay in my case :)

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 5 points 8 months ago

DNS as a protocol is in general clear text. Your provider can see what you query regardless.

[-] TheOneCurly@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago

That's why dns-over-https is so important

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[-] Catsrules@lemmy.ml 41 points 8 months ago

Piracy Shield aka The Great Firewall of Italy.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

Damn thats an incredible degree of overreach and looks like it gives established companies the power to take down any rising competitions websites without oversight.

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 29 points 8 months ago

It should be cockblocked right at the begining, otherwise it'd be introduced to other EU countries too.

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 8 months ago

Fucking sports. Sky and DAZN have such a stranglehold on sports. You wanna watch sportball? Pay up.

Professional sports and the companies that own the leagues are a total racket. Makes me hate that it's such a large part of global culture. Support your local minor leagues!

[-] WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago

Solution: No sportsball.

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 20 points 8 months ago

That was always the plan!

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 8 months ago

shocked that a country that elected a fascist with ties to mussolini would do something like this

[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

People should be well aware of expatriates and how to become one as well as having emergency funds for it if their country has signs of turning dystopian

I know it may feel hard leaving your home country for some but would you rather stay and be forced to participate under dystopian laws or leave for a better country

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 8 months ago

It's not easy to gain entry to another "better" country for most people. You tend to need money, connections, or specialist skills. When people say "well, then I'll just move to another country" they may be unaware of this.

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

My guy, I'm just trying to pay the bills. I do not have the excess income to fill a go bag.

[-] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 17 points 8 months ago

I learned that I'm essentially trapped in my country without massive amounts of money or a rare skill set. I have neither. I'll just have to ride the fascist wave out if they succeed.

[-] angrymouse@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Im going from Brazil to Portugal (not related to politics, only saying), I'm going with the help of my company and still would need around 30x the Brazilian minimum wage for the entire trip. Only to get a house to leave would be 18 to 21x. All of this to still be far away from your family and all of this to sometimes be treated as an alien.

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[-] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 8 months ago

Man, we need mesh networks yesterday. I don't care if it's slow, I just want them to get out of my face.

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