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though i think there's a solid argument to be made for most of these being conservative, even if not in ways this guy would necessarily recognize as such. name a series on this and i could find a legitimate, not a bit reason it's reactionary. that goes triple for one piece

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[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Damn, Bocchi is fascist :(

Also isn't Jin-Roh about how fascism dehumanizes and destroys its own? Chud media literacy is a joke, obviously, so I assume they just see the aesthetics and think soypoint-1 "WHOA COOL NAZIS"

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

yeah jin-roh is about how fascism dehumanizes and destroys itself, but it does very much aestheticize the whole thing to a slightly worrying extent

i don't really have an answer for bocchi beyond high school anime broadly is about making the most of the last time of freedom you have before going into the meat grinder that is the japanese workforce/college, but that's a symptom and not actually the anime itself being conservative

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

This has to be a bit, theres no way they can't know that Miyazaki is a leftist

And fucking ONE PIECE?!?

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

miyazaki's work broadly is very retvrn with a v. all about how we gotta go back to this pastoral fantasy, with mononoke being especially bad about this. his environmentalism is a reactionary environmentalism. and that's not even getting into his hardon for the japanese war machine. miyazaki would hate these people but there's so much for them to latch onto in his work

one piece, in addition to all the 'we gotta return the rightful king to the throne!' and skypiea and fishman island, has some of the most rancid transphobia you'll ever find. even if oda is trying to make up for that these days, it still has that and it's incredibly bad

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And fucking ONE PIECE?!?

First thoughts are Skypeia and the awooga way Oda draws women.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean skypeia is an arc about supporting a land back movement. This guy probably just thinks fighting the government as an anarchist is conservative or something else really stupid.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago

no the fuck it is not! skypeia is an arc about supporting a settler colonialist revanchist movement and convincing the land back movement they need to be nicer to the settlers. it's about returning the rightful king to the throne, as 90% of one piece arcs are. one piece is so fucking conservative

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Kiki is such an insane choice.

It's literally about creativity, burnout, female agency and independence.

The cottage core shit is also like a single artist so I dunno what this freak is on.

kojima

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

she's a child laborer doing small business stuff

this doesn't make the movie bad or anything, but there's a conservative read

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

It's truly an incredible way one could mangle the movie lol. God, that just hurts.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

How can this be conservative-core when Kill la Kill - literally main theme is getting more powerful the more confident you get about being naked?

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's conservative for libertarian-alert reasons

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget that it's also got bloody bloody blood blood because violence is cool

Side note I love how that emoji is called "libertarian alert" lmao

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

Side note I love how that emoji is called "libertarian alert" lmao

I love libertarian-approaching for similar reasons lol

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Now that you mention it, most of these shows star little girls brow

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 11 points 9 months ago

most shows in japanese anime are placed in high school for many reasons, some of the major ones is that in japanese culture, highschoolers tend to have the most "freedom" (that is time is less occupied), an event that most people go through (thus being broadly more relatable vs a college show, where not everyone goes to college) and anime is generally targeted for younger folk.

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

Kill la Kill's entire concept started because someone at Trigger thought it'd be funny to make a pun out of fashion and fascism.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

ryuko being a nudist lesbian is obviously not particularly conservative, but it's a DEEPLY individualist fantasy

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I take solace in the fact that no fascist will ever put the shows I, the One True Anime Communist, like, in a list like this.

Because no fascist will ever sit through Mushishi or The Tatami Galaxy without getting bored.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

feel fairly confident utena isn't going to be on these lists anytime soon, that'll get any conservative ranting about removed in a heartbeat

now im imagining the person who watches utena and is cheering for akio trying to force fem utena and being confused when that isn't how the show ends. very making up a guy to get mad at

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[–] solitaire@infosec.pub 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah I mean, I think I understand the ones I'm familiar with as "conservative core" picks. Most of it is shallow and aesthetic but that's sort of what these lists are about. Though for more than one of these I think the shallow, aesthetic relation to conservatism is underage girls. Come to your own conclusions on that one.

It's also worth keeping in mind that one of the undercurrents of conservatism is a reactionary disdain for capitalism. While few would actually articulate that honestly these days, it used to be stated outright. So while some might also be repulsed by the destruction inherent in industrialization found in Mononoke, the conservative would do so yearning for a regression to feudal relations.

There are some notable absences though. I would have thought Attack on Titan would be there, it used to be very popular with the right. Did that somehow change?

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago

i think this person is a very 2007 era anime fan who probably wasn't watching much anime when aot got big. there's a big gap of about a decade where they only watch a couple shows before getting back into anime. very much a type of guy

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Let's see, how many of these do I like... Let's say 11 by the most conservative definition... Out of 40 on this chart. So I am apparently at least one-quarter reactionary.

Horseshoe theory time

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

I'm that +/- a few (probably like nearly anyone on this comm, it's literally just a list of popular anime - there's not even any deep cuts here lol).

snipes-hesitation to us lol.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

oh trust me, me too, including some of the ones i'd argue are kinda legit conservative. anyone who's into anime (especially anime from before the big streaming boom) is going to be

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The two where I can squint and see his point are Hellsing and Spy Family.

  • Hellsing's obvious because of all the Christian imagery

  • Spy Family, is about well...starting a family. But I never thought conservatives would like it because Loid isn't a fat abusive alcoholic like an "alpha male".

[–] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Spy x Family is steeped in Cold war imagery with the "bad side" pretty much being a stand in for the GDR

Tanya the Evil features "2nd Reich" (it's actually a blend of 2nd and 3rd) as the protagonists

Legend of the Galactic Heroes has Space Prussia & enlightened despotism winning

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[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

Spy Family, is about well...starting a family. But I never thought conservatives would like it because Loid isn't a fat abusive alcoholic like an "alpha male".

It's also about found family and adoption. There's definitely a portion of right-wingers that adopt kids, but the fascist anime fan types seem too obsessed with cum to consider "raising someone else's child."

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[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Azumanga Daioh, the anime where the frigging air force makes a giant rainbow pride flag in the sky above wedding bells and an ocean of flowers when a girl gets paired up with her crush who is also a girl

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

Kaorin is literally me

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

normalizes libertarian-alert with that one teacher i guess? i got nothing tbh

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Kimura is typically the butt of the joke and is hated by basically everybody, so I wouldn't say it's normalized per se, especially not when there are many, many, many other anime that do normalize libertarian-alert stuff

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

yeah i just mentioned it because it was the only thing i could think of, not because it's actually worth condemning the show over

the real reason it's on this list is of course because it is very funny and that means conservatives also like it, and this one felt the need to justify it by saying it was a conservative show

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

iirc it has some jokes about foreigners? i don't really remember and definitely think it's one of the most 'on the list because it's popular with a certain age demographic of weeb' things on the list

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[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

essential communist-core:

  • medabots
  • digimon episodes with patamon in them
[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

im curious what the author thinks bleach being conservative, given its about a rebellious teenager who breaks all the traditional values of a longstanding organization by breaking a lot of taboo things throught the series (banned substitute shinigamis, yet still became one, caused an uprising just to save Rukia, did not have full shinigami blood by delving into hollow powers and essentially being part hollow thus a vizard, something the society swears to destroy, even further goes into that hole by being part quincy thus being mixed blood, bypasses the original method of getting a zanpakto initially, the list could go on and on)

the show almost represents progressive action given its essentially old farts finally changing the rules for modern times.

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