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Why not Chief in command or Commander of chiefs or similar?

The sentence basically means Commander in biggest or Commander in most important. It's a strange structure.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago

Commander in Chief actually goes back to the English Civil War (where Charles Howard was commissioned as lieutenant-general and commander-in-chief); and 'in chief' goes back to earlier french, basically denoting a feudal landholding that was given directly by the king.

Keep in mind that a Commander in Chief- while frequently the head of state; historically wasn't always so. Colonial or Regional Governors were given command of military forces in their areas of authority- that is to say, commissioned as commanders with sole authority over all forces directly by the king. that is to say, they were commissioned as commanders in chief.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A lot of military rank terms derive from French. In French grammar, the noun modifier often goes after the thing it is modifying rather than before.

[–] Crampon@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Like Mont Blanc. Mountain white.

Origin of the title explains a lot.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Mont Blanc, white mountain

Montréal, royal mountain

Montagne Russe, Rollercoaster (literally "Russian Mountain" because the first roller coasters were invented in Russia)

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not necessarily military nor French, the Wikipedia page on postpositive adjectives has more examples of words which flip the normal ordering.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From the page you linked:

There are many set phrases in English which feature postpositive adjectives. They are often loans or loan translations from foreign languages that commonly use postpositives, especially French

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago

Yes, we are in firm agreement: that page offers more examples for the OP to peruse, some French and some not. My favorite is "attorney general", with more to choose from.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Chief Commander sounds so much better, although it also brings to mind the image of a stoner superhero: Kief Commander

[–] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 4 points 8 months ago

This would make an excellent recurring story on American dad wherein Jeff is secretly a Superman à la quailman from Doug.

[–] frankenswine@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

might be a translation from spanish (not that it clears anything up): comandante en jefe

[–] afunkysongaday@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's slang for military butt sex.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Thought that was just enlistment in general.