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How much would you pay for a PC with 128KB RAM, and no hard disk?

In today's money (inflation adjusted)

This an ad from Personal Computer World (UK) from 1985

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[–] BrownianMotion@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So everything is about right. Today you can buy a budget pc, and skim on performance, but back then (and I was there man!) you could not.

In 1985 HDD were only starting to gain traction for PC's and that was about the only thing you could spec up. That IBM pc is "High Res" which probably means it was VGA multicolour (yay!lol) with 640x480 resolution. So you were basically buying top of the line.

Today, if you were to build a top of the line PC, RTX4090, latest best intel cpu, PSU, etc, etc it would be easy to spend $5K!

But damn, the difference in performance from back then to now!! (That IBM is an XT which means it was a 4.77Mhz with 8086 cpu. Just looking at that picture, I can feel the weight of the bloody thing)

[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I was there too but vga was not. My dad got an IBM XT fully specd as a home computer (he was CFO of Emma EDB). I believe the hires could be EGA or probably Hercules as they don’t brag about colours - but his had CGA. The full spec of my dads pc - that changed my life - was: 2x256kb ram on full length isa cards. 10mb hdd, 360kb floppy. 9pin printer and cga. Total cost back then in Norwegian KR was 120000.

[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

After checking with my dad the price was half of what I stated. He got one for home and one for office - the business he was with was providing IBM mainframes, and wanted to check out the PC. My dad got them because of Lotus 1-2-3 - spreadsheets was the shit in accounting/ finance already

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[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Also, these PCs back then were heavy (=>much more resource intensive), handbuilt and low-volume. All things that add a lot to the price.

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[–] FReddit@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, actually this went from funny to tragic.

The company was called Need to Know, and it was initially in an old Victorian under a freeway overpass in San Francisco.

So I got the computer Friday and ran into this 23 line fail that evening. I called around 8:00 pm, expecting to get an answering machine. Instead I got, " Hey come on over!"

So I drive back to SF and get there around 9:00 pm. Somebody immediately puts a drink in my hand. People are just partying in a low key way. There are computer parts all over the place, but people are just partying.

So one of the guys took my machine apart, diagnosed the CPU failure, and replaced it with parts on hand.

I'm back in Berkeley by maybe 11:00 pm with a fully functional computer.

Here's where it gets ugly. I did business with them into the late 1980s. During that time , some psycho took on a grudge against them and literally burned their place of business down.

Several places of businesses, burned down sequentially. Fucking tragic.

I lost track of them by 1990. I don't know if they went further underground or what.

But they gave me a really human intro to computing. I can only hope they are well , wherever they are.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a great story. Thank you for sharing.

[–] FReddit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I wish I knew what happened. It still bothers me.

[–] FReddit@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Around 1983 I got a Morrow Microdecision with two floppies.

No hard drive or mouse. It did come with COBOL.

It failed after 23 lines of text entry. Turned out the CPU was defective.

People kept asking me, "Dude, what do you need a computer for?"

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Serious question: What did you use that computer for? So, did you just learn to write cobol and make your own programs?

[–] supercheesecake@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don’t know about the OP, but our first computer was a TRS-80 clone with a tape drive, 16k ram, and stunning 64x16 B&W graphics. Every month dad would drive us to computer club, we’d copy as many games as we could (onto tape), then spend the rest of the month trying to get them to work. Rinse and repeat. It was awesome.

Also typed in basic games from the computer mags which needed lots of debugging. How I learnt to program (before being taught Pascal in high school).

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[–] FReddit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do have a funny story about the place I got it in San Francisco, of you care to hear it.

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[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This is why the ZX Spectrum was so important, in 1982 it cost £125 for the 16K model (£469 or so now). That's within the reach of many consumers. Sure, it was laughably simplistic even at launch, but if it wasn't for the Speccy I wouldn't be an IT professional today.

[–] Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Hey ZX-81 gang here!

999SKR (Swedish crowns) guess it was like 100$ and it gave you a 1KB 1Mhz computer :-) around 400SKR more for an expansion card with a whopping 16KB...

Went the C64 way but damn that Spectrum was sexy back in the day.

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[–] Oneobi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My Dragon 32 or 64 (can't remember which it was) has a lot to answer for too!

[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whole bunch of low cost 8-bit machines in that era, the Dragon 32, Commodore 64 and Amstrad CPC ranges to name but a few. Of course we must also mention the BBC Micro, was not low cost but every school had one if you grew up in the UK.

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[–] espentan@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Two years later you could get an Amiga 500, with 512KB for £499. They were such a deal when they arrived. I bought a 20MB hard drive, an extra 512KB of RAM, a second floppy drive and a monitor. If I recall correctly that set me back around £1400.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Today, you can buy microcontrollers with this much RAM + Flash-ROM for like $5 USD. No joke.

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/renesas-electronics-america-inc/R7FA4E10D2CNE-AA0/15203348

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/microchip-technology/ATSAM4N8BA-MU/4162590

These modern $5 microchips probably have more features people care about too. Also they go like 100MHz on 3V and like 50mA (or less) of current. Or ~150mW of power or so and are therefore suitable to be run off of AA batteries.

[–] scala@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The conversion is wrong. £1500 in 1985 is £5814.92($7,359.45) today.

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[–] supercheesecake@aussie.zone 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Who remembers the Sinclair ZX-80 with a massive 1kb ram?!

[–] TrivialBetaState@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was starting writing here to correct you that it had 48KB (like the spectrums) but thought to check on wikipedia and... you are right! Oh my goodness! 1kb and called a computer! And was a computer!

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[–] peanutyam@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ooh! I had a ZX-81 with a 16k ram pack on it (and cassette recorder to save with!) as a kid haha….god I’m old!!

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't mind me. Just showing off the Sinclair ZX Spectrum bag I got a couple of weeks ago. I'm nostalgic for 5 minute loading screens that could trigger an epileptic fit!

The 80s were a different time.

[–] peanutyam@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Oh that’s amazing!

The 80’s were certainly a different time. Especially when only allowed to access a computer at school for a few minutes in the day (Apple IIe) so all of us could “have a go at the computer in the library”!

I would never have imagined as a kid what it was going to be like today with smartphones and the internet everywhere….

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We actually had one of those Macintosh 128 K machines in the lower left. My dad got two external floppy drives for it. The first lesson I remember learning, that I still remember is when the dialog box asks:

{Disk Read Error, [Abort][Retry][Initialize]?}

Initialize is Never ever ever the correct option.

[–] PrinceFidget@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Assuming "Initialize" reformatted the disk and preped it to be used fresh?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Correct, and that could be very problematic depending on the disc I had grabbed

[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

i'm surprised nobody is mentioning that the keyboards in these were masterpieces that are so valuable today.

[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago

Don't get the Sanyo. It's a weird "sorta DOS compatible" machine you'll have a hard time with software and support for.

The Apricot was also exotic, but seemed to have more of an ecosystem.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We had an Apple II+, IIe and //c. I would inherit each one when my family upgraded. They were around $1300 each I think. The //c might have been more because it was "portable" (you could put it in a suitcase with a 10-pound battery and a weird tiny horizontal screen that wouldn't work with most software).

My grandparents had a C-64 which they never used. It basically became mine. I think it was $600.

[–] monomist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Owned a //c that was all mine, a birthday gift IIRC. I remember that it had a composite output so you could plug it into a TV to play games on a bigger screen that actually had colour. Loved that thing, including the monochrome (green) monitor that neatly sat on top of it. I would spend hours typing in programs from magazines.

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[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

My grandfather's glorious Olivetti proudest pc-1,paid 11million lirae (about 6.000€ euros) with an 8mhz CPU and well over 512kB of ram!

(from Wikipedia, the house burned down in 2001)

[–] umbraroze@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There was some commercial for the Commodore 64 which basically lambasted the IBM PC for being twice as expensive while having the the same 64K memory.

I was, like, "yeah, but nobody ever bought the 64K model of IBM PC. That would have been just ridiculously limited, right? Right? Everyone got memory expansions, surely?"

Well, 64K was the stock configuration, so I'm sure those memory expansions sold like hotcakes. There was even the option for freaking 16K memory. (Now, I'm sure next to nobody bought that.) Even option to getting no floppy drives, because you could always put your glorious BASIC programs on a cassette tape. Like a caveman. (This also sounds like a rare option.)

[–] cthonctic@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

@umbraroze C64 caveman with datasette drive reporting in o7

@TrivialBetaState

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Interestingly mac is the only one with a mouse.

[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not very surprising considering their inspiration from xerox parc. I bought a mouse in 86 for my dads pc - a 3 button Genius. On PC mouse would not take off until windows was launched - gui was not needed for real business use according to IBM

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[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apple was a very different company back then. If they had followed the philosophy they have today, Apple would have been the last company to to introduce a mouse. The idea is that if a new feature becoms industry standard, they won’t apply it until like 5 years later, but make it somehow better than anyone else.

In this context, it would have probably meant not including a keyboard or display at this point. They could have skipped the black+green stage and go straight for color displays while increasing the resolution, size and refresh rate or something.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Waiting 5 years wasn't really an option back in those days. PCs moved so fast that if you waited 5 years you'd be missing whole use cases.

Now if you wait 5 years, there's hardly a difference.

[–] Jacksachatter@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apricot? So there were 2 pc makers with connection to fruit? Or Macintosh is not yet Apple then?

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Macintosh was always Apple. Apricot may have been trying to ride on the coattails of Apple’s popularity (I remember the computers but I’m too lazy to look it up).

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[–] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember my dad paying $800 for 8 megabytes of RAM.

Shit was expensive back then

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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My father bought a family pc for 1500ish euros (or equal to that amount) vack in.. 1990 or something. With a 386 cpu.

It was great. Though im not sure if the inflation is equal, in my country

[–] gunpachi@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's crazy how Computers have changed over the years !

I guess people who have used PC's from the old era would be able to appreciate the current Computers in a completely different level.

[–] kemal007@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

When I remember back to the early 80s, me a single digit aged human with my first Commodore 64 and a cassette tape drive, to being a high school aged kid and helping my buddies install their extended memory set chip by chip to get them to 1mb of ram, to way in the future where I type this comment on a mobile phone touch screen capable of unfathomable high resolution graphics and speed is still a surreal feeling.

I grew up and grew old with computers and it’s wild to imagine a life without and a world without them nearly 50 years later.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A computer with a spreadsheet was a HUGE game changer.

In '85 most companies did books by hand and adding machine. Records were kept in ledgers and in filing cabinets. People used to hire CPA's to come in and do the balancing even in small convenience stores. Given labor wasn't what it is now, but a machine like that could pay for itself pretty quickly.

I worked a fast food job in the 90's They had an ancient box running 1-2-3. Every night, the MOD would have to sit down with a paper sheet and an adding machine to generate this table, then enter all the transformed data into Lotus. They literally sat back there for hours working over the data. I asked, why don't you just change the sheet to do all the calculations? Can't, the franchise owner wants it all done by hand. They were literally taking a row of numbers, doing some math on it, then doing more math on each column to come up with a final row of like 7 numbers.

I had them show me what they were doing and wrote a program on my TI calculator to generate the table from the input numbers. Told them if they wanted the program just to get the same calculator and I'd transfer it over.

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