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[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 155 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Indictments don't count for shit without guilty verdicts and seeing the orange asshole behind bars, and I'm not even a doomer about this, I believe it'll happen, but claiming victory before winning is always folly, just ask Trump.

[–] MermaidsGarden@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not that I disagree but it’s hilarious to see the contortions about how the indictments are no big deal from the “ZoMG Killary’s gonna get indicted any day now” crowd.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hilarious definitely, but not surprising in the least, they're just a bunch of fascist hypocrites.

[–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 69 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'll eat my hat after convicted and sentenced and not a second sooner.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Don't look at the conviction rate for federal prosecutors then. And stock up on BBQ sauce. A NY jury would convict Trump of just being fat and ugly, that's how much everyone (including Republicans) hate him. People literally go out of their way to make their dogs pee on Trump Tower.

You will just change your mind and say "He should have gotten more time! 5 years is nothing. House arrest? His house is huge!"

For a former president, that's the worst possible.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Republican voters absolutely still love him. Just look at early polling for the GOP primaries, he's still leading by a huge landslide in the majority of states: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/us/politics/2024-poll-nyt-siena-trump-republicans.html

Is it depressing as hell that so many people are still obsessed with this corrupt, shitty buffoon? Definitely. But I keep seeing more and more comments on here acting like Trump is irrelevant and his base is virtually non-existent when that's just not true (which is ironic, given how one of the main criticisms against Trump and his ilk is their detachment from reality).

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe people in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx, and Manhattan hate him, but Staten Island, Long Island, and upstate NY are Trump country

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where do you think all the people live? It's not Staten Island.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

TIL nobody lives on Staten Island.

Guess it’s all vampires.

[–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll sit on the laurel of all the presidents who have been convicted of their crimes so far.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While you're looking at them, compare their average approval ratings. Trump has the lowest of them all, having never broken 50% approval.

[–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sure that will really hamper him in the popularity contest portion of the trial but he will pick those back up in the swimsuit contest.

[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

I get what you're saying, but yuck

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

conviction rate for federal prosecutors

The thing is that they, like state and local prosecutors, prosecute poor people who can't afford effective representation tens if not hundreds of times as often.

If you isolate their stats with regards to rich and/or powerful defendants like the Mango Mussolini, suddenly they don't convict at anywhere near that rate.

The difference is so immense that even an obviously guilty oaf with incompetent and unhinged lawyers like him is more likely than not to win or at the very least delay until his own death at his country club home.

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[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm eat my hat either way because I have a problem

[–] Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's your favorite flavor?

[–] shadearg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

My scrilla on MacKenzie Tartan Tammy.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

But it’s certainly nice to see that the path towards that situation is still open.

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Um Actually, that's a Goal Net, not a Goal Post. Your argument doesn't hold water.

[–] STUPIDVIPGUY@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 year ago

no shit it doesnt hold water its a net

[–] erie1134@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Of course it doesn't hold water, it's a net

[–] SaintWacko@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

Ooh, now I get it!

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t recall seeing anybody say he wouldn’t be indicted, but that ultimately he wouldn’t face “serious” consequences or any jail time. We’ve yet to find out what, if any, consequences he’ll actually face. My uneducated guess is that he’ll just be given house arrest for everything, based on age and his former position as President. It sounds like the Georgia indictment may carry mandatory prison time, but we still haven’t seen how any of that will play out, it could still be affected by Republican fuckery. I would love to be proven wrong on everything and he gets the book thrown at him, but current/former world leaders have a tendency to not face the consequences of their actions (except in some extreme situations).

[–] DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump should have been in prison orange years ago. But there's a better chance of him becoming president again. He's protected by the American right wing and that is probably enough to keep him not only safe from legal consequences but to keep him in power. They won't drop him until voters do.

Prove me wrong america

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

*the prison orange

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've never wanted to be wrong about anything more than this in my entire life, but Trump will never be put behind bars. House arrest in Trump Tower? Most likely. Going to a white collar "resort prison" à la Martha Stewart? Less likely, but still possible. Going to actual Federal or State prison? I just can't see it.

If Trump is clearly going to lose in court, his lawyers would be wise to posture him as vulnerable and not fit to serve his sentence in the general population.

Also, who fucking knows how the Secret Service are going to handle this one. Apparently there is no way to revoke a former presidents lifetime security detail, even if they are impeached or convicted of a felony. Only an act of congress can do so, so good luck getting a majority of both chambers to uphold the rule of law and send a felon to prison. Republicans will protect this piece of trash until their very last breath.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

White collar prisons aren't real, other than house arrests.

Minimum security prisons, where you are treated as roughly human, are though.

[–] dancingsnail@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

LMAO this shitpost is drawing some salty doomers out of the woodwork and I love to see it

[–] Lammy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a doomer, I’d like to point out that even conviction and imprisonment, do not prohibit him from winning the presidential election.

[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on what he's convicted of. There are certain convictions specifically prohibiting you from holding high office.

[–] Lammy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that true, which of the charges do that?

[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://www.vox.com/23828477/trump-2024-14th-amendment-banned

The legal paper, authored by University of Chicago professor William Baude and University of St. Thomas professor Michael Stokes Paulsen, centers on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment — a provision that limits people from returning to public office if they have since “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” or “given aid or comfort” to those who have. Baude and Paulsen argue that this clearly covers Trump’s behavior between November 2020 and January 2021.

Tested at the state level:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/judge-removes-local-official-engaging-jan-insurrection/story?id=89463597

A state judge in New Mexico has removed a county commissioner from office after ruling that -- because he participated in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol -- the U.S. Constitution barred him for engaging in an "insurrection."

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/06/1121307430/couy-griffin-otero-county-insurrection-fourteenth-amendment

The State Supreme Court dismissed his appeal:

https://www.krqe.com/news/politics-government/new-mexico-supreme-court-maintains-couy-griffin-office-removal/

Griffin tried to appeal the ruling, but the state Supreme Court dismissed the appeal in November. He filed a motion for the state’s highest court to reconsider, which they dismissed this week. Now, Griffin wants to take this to the United States Supreme Court.

His wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couy_Griffin#Removal_from_office

[–] JeffCraig@citizensgaming.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At at this point, pardoning himself is his only chance of staying out of prison.

[–] June@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless he gets convicted in GA.

[–] Lammy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/16/trump-georgia-pardon-00111503

Presidents can issue pardons only for federal crimes, and the Georgia indictment involves exclusively state crimes. Trump couldn’t even seek help from the state’s governor, because in Georgia, unlike many other states, the governor cannot issue pardons.

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[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

While good, indictments are only one step in the legal process, they are not the end result. Most people were not confident we would even make it this far into the legal process with how much the justice system favors those with money and power and this situation has literally never happened in our history. We have never had a former president indicted for crimes.

[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago
[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Show me the mugshot of Trump with an orange jumpsuit and a tear tattooed near his eye and I’ll claim victory

We don't care about indickted, only convicted, give us a holler when the real thing happens. Orange jumpsuit to match his face, cuffs, perp walk, call me when I can see it or don't call me.

Some folk have not watched this worm slither off the hook again and again, and it really shows.

[–] onionbaggage@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago

In this thread: people this meme is about.

In my very humble opinion the worst hell get is a retirement deal in Mar a Lago. Some extra security? A bigger fence perhaps.

[–] Kite@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"guys this forth inditement will stop him for sure!"

[–] DadWagonDriver@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

B-b-but we’ll certainly find 12 random GEORGIANS to convict him!

[–] Dee@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Hell yeah, always love an anti-doomer meme.

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