Curious to see how this thread will go, as it seems this opinion is indeed unpopular.
I agree with you 100%
A few points I've noted in the previous threads
Absolutely, literally just swap instances. Hopefully instance migration comes in a similar way that mastodon offers.
I guess with LASIM as a current fix, it can work.
Mod tools are higher priority as far as I am concerned
people confuse defederation and community blocking (in this case, it’s the latter)
This seems to be a big one. LW admins were actually fairly light-handed on this one. This isn't a discussion of defederation but people are acting like it is one.
I'm just grateful to see that just when folks were beginning to doubt if Lemmy could actually serve as a Reddit alternative, we've been able to prove that we're equally if not more adept at insular slapfighting over petty bullshit and assuming the worst about others' intentions.
Yes, the "everyone is nice, everyone is happy" days are over, at least for the coming days.
I guess that means we reached a large enough userbase
It means there is now a healthy spectrum of feelings. Nice and happy all the time isn't healthy.
I'm pretty sure someone was being a dickbag to me like, the day I joined, so it was basically a seamless transition from reddit. Though honestly, the last time I was on any kind of public site without anyone being a shit was when I moderated a forum a decade ago, at least up until we passed maybe 200 users. I'm pretty sure that's about the limit before someone has to act up.
I’m still consistently surprised that so few people seem to have realized that you can just make an alt on another instance that federates with blahaj (or the instance itself) if you feel like it.
And as to the server owner: they’re doing this with donations and out of the goodness of their hearts. That kinda gives them the right to run their server as they see fit. If you don’t like it… either find another instance, make your own, or shut the fuck up.
Not to mention it's not like Reddit where they're doomed to their fate. The fedi is literally designed to get around this. That's the whole point! Swapping instances is absolutely free. Though it is a bit of a pain without official migration tools so hopefully that gets fixed soon.
Though it is a bit of a pain
Almost painless using https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim (showing the link for potential readers, I think I remember sharing it to you a while back)
Yeah but the point is that it should be like Mastodon where it's built in. Or at least with Lemmy, it'd be more appropriate just to be able to import/export your subscribe list, blocks, and settings.
I agree with your unpopular opinion but also think the people should feel free to bitch if they want to. I’m just happy to be here not giving dollars to Reddit.
I'd just rather them have an actual point than just complaints .Like how in their understanding are the instance runners in the clear when it comes to copyright laws. Like an actual point. Or how are they going to help the instance if there were to be legal trouble.
A bit of looking makes me think the admins have a legitimate concern here. Platform immunity in the EU isn't quite as strong as it is in the US in general, and it's specifically weaker with regard to copyright.
A successful copyright lawsuit (maybe even an unsuccessful one) could bring down the whole .world network, which hosts multiple federated services for many people. There could be personal liability for the admins as well. The admins should try to protect against outcomes like that, and the EU should probably strengthen its platform immunity laws.
And again, they're volunteers, they're already doing a service and they shouldn't be forced to take legal risks they don't want to.
It's really annoying how lazy people are, the solution is to just have multiple accounts. It's two clicks to change accounts but those lazy mfs have no response to that except that they don't want to.
On top of that, they've been dealing with an ongoing DDOS for weeks. Is blocking piracy communities the response most of us want? No. Is it the best solution to get the most out of limited volunteer resources right now? I think the case for that is strong.
I get what you're saying, but calling people spoiled teenagers won't change anyone's mind. Attacking people is never a path to changing their mind.
Humans who run instances are real people
This is the main problem here - the site is explicitly and legally run by a specific set of humans. Not by LemmyWorld Corp. Not by LemmyWorld LLC, but by “Jelloeater” et al. TBH this is a dumb idea. I don’t even run my own personal website as myself, let alone a forum with third-party content.
Having the admins and operators spend $50 for an LLC filing would shield the operators from most of this personal liability, even if the site itself would still be at risk of action.
An LLC registered with what government…Finland? Maybe a non profit would serve this purpose but then you have to have a board and meetings. Sounds like a lot of work.
Since the domain is registered in Finland, presumably it’d be created there. If an LLC has a single owner, you don’t need to have board meetings or anything. The sole owner would be whoever owns the website registration.
The real issue is that LW has become the de facto front page of Lemmy. No instance should have as many users/communities as they do. It gives them too much power over Lemmy. They could probably kill many instances if they decided to defederate from them.
The issue I have is with the mods spite-banning users who expressed negative sentiments over it.
I'm glad the LW admins have the foresight to consider things like this and other areas of concern. It's good to see LW admin admit when they don't know enough about something and are being cautious. I don't think Discord should be the place for any announcements though. Hopefully LW can get the legal protections or assurances necessary to host all of the content people want to see.
The biggest thing is simply. "Lemmy.world "...
If someone really is that upset, create your own instance. Find an instance that agrees with you and swap it. I'm not anti-piracy, but this seems like a fundamental difference between you and Lemmy World, that essentially means you should find a different instance.
(or go create an account on a piracy server and here if that's what it takes)
I mean... The piracy communities have very useful links to wikis all about how to sail the high seas...
Don't get me wrong, I don't really have any skin in this game, I dabble in a bit of piracy now and again, and am broadly pro having a community for people to chat about it although I don't myself.
But at the same time when a community description has a link to a page with comprehensive lists of the best sites to download/torrent from, including a cute little goat emoji next to the best ones, let's not be disingenuous. (That wiki is terrific btw)
If theoretically someone did decide to investigate you for having links to lots of legally dubious information available on your instance I don't know the law in other people's countries but in mine it wouldn't be worth the hassle or attention. I say theoretically because at the moment Lemmy is probably too small to get attention but still.
I can see why people might want to play it a bit on the safe side if they're not sure if they're going to get into trouble over something or not.
Piracy is the second thing every social network has to make an effort to remove. The first one is child porn.
As free speech as everyone's intentions are for the most part, you can only be in that fight so far as your pockets allow. If you believe you are legally untouchable, then go for it. But you're probably not.
I'm so tired of the "just change instances" argument that comes up every time mods make a bad decision. It's as bad as "just watch something else" for movies. Like yeah, literally everyone recognizes that you can choose how to spend your time, but that fact isn't a magic buffer against critisism.
I understand that but also I can change instances in two clicks on an app once I’m signed up. I was going to post this one with my world account but it was going slow so I switched. Same two clicks to view piracy or porn. Yeah it would be easier to not have to but I understand why someone would simply choose to not fuss with it. Running these things is basically a hobby.
Imagine if you were invited to a party at a friend’s house…well, this friend got mad when you started lighting off fireworks at midnight and waking his neighbors up…this friend makes you take your shoes off when you come in their house. This friend doesn’t want you to watch porn because the kids are playing video games in the other room. Well it’s a free country right, why can’t I light off fireworks? As your friend I want you to have fun at my party man, I really do…that’s why I invited you…but my neighbors will call the cops and I have to deal with then in the morning. And my wife will kill me if the floor gets all scuffed up. If you want to leave the party because of that I’m sorry.
It's not meant as a "magic buffer to criticism."
It's just a more polite alternative to "nobody gives a shit what you think, so fuck off."
It's a shame the bandwagoning didn't stay on Reddit as people migrated here. I really wish upvotes and downvotes weren't displayed for anyone, maybe then people would act more civil.
Absolutely agree with this.
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