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[–] D61@hexbear.net 47 points 7 months ago

For those of you wondering, this is why JT needs more money to keep running his channel

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To make sure that the people working for him can get paid? Seems alright by me.

[–] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 7 months ago

I was going to make the joke of "omg jay tee is bourzhgeysee??!?1?"

I am disappointed to see not only that that comment has already been written, but it has been made without a single drop of irony.

[–] FanonFan@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lotta western leftists seem to learn class analysis 101 without deconstructing their liberal moralism

Anyone worried about this: read any historic class analysis; read about past revolutionary movements and the diverse material interests that comprised them. Also stop obsessing about the moral purity of entertainers, there's so many more important things to do.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To add to your point, I think of Mao's fantastic essay On Contradiction: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_17.htm

In particular, this part:

For instance, in the period of its first cooperation with the Communist Party, the Kuomintang stood in contradiction to foreign imperialism and was therefore anti-imperialist; on the other hand, it stood in contradiction to the great masses of the people within the country--although in words it promised many benefits to the working people, in fact it gave them little or nothing. In the period when it carried on the anti-Communist war, the Kuomintang collaborated with imperialism and feudalism against the great masses of the people and wiped out all the gains they had won in the revolution, and thereby intensified its contradictions with them. In the present period of the anti-Japanese war, the Kuomintang stands in contradiction to Japanese imperialism and wants co-operation with the Communist Party, without however relaxing its struggle against the Communist Party and the people or its oppression of them. As for the Communist Party, it has always, in every period, stood with the great masses of the people against imperialism and feudalism, but in the present period of the anti-Japanese war, it has adopted a moderate policy towards the Kuomintang and the domestic feudal forces because the Kuomintang has pressed itself in favour of resisting Japan. The above circumstances have resulted now in alliance between the two parties and now in struggle between them, and even during the periods of alliance there has been a complicated state of simultaneous alliance and struggle. If we do not study the particular features of both aspects of the contradiction, we shall fail to understand not only the relations of each party with the other forces, but also the relations between the two parties.

The relevant point being that someone's, or some entity's, relation to the cause is not always as simple as "for" or "against", "helping" or "not helping", "corrupted" or "pure." There are times that interests intersect, but are not identical. I'm not sure if it can be generalized adequately how to deal with that fact, but it is something we have to contend with.

[–] FanonFan@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Thanks for sharing!

Honestly diving deeper into mao and Chinese history has been an incredibly enlightening experience.

Guerilla History is halfway through a four-part series (plus a precursor episode on GH or revleft) on China which is a great resource for anyone curious.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Ah, so JT is petit-bourgeois? While I was reading that I couldn't help but have the idea for one of those TikTok style videos where an AI JT voice reads that message while the Soviet Union anthem grows louder and louder. Maybe it could feature a happy picture of him in front of a drab concrete wall which shakes more and more intensely as the audio goes on and the image is slowly eclipsed by the USSR flag.

[tone indicator: this is a joke]

[–] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago

Yep, he technically is lol

[–] Rasm635u@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

that message

What message?

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago

The post. It's a discord message.

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 7 months ago

And? He has to make ends meet somehow.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

ITT: a thread I'm not gonna read

[–] BenEarlDaMarxist@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In a nutshell, JT is a petite-bourgeoisie, huh, so this is what bourgeois class traitors look like, neato.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

bourgeois class traitors

Do you mean a member of the bourgeoisie who betrays theirs own class, aligning with the Proletariat? zhou-envibe

Or a member of the Proletariat who aligns with the bourgeoisie, betraying their own class? corn-man-khrush

[–] BenEarlDaMarxist@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The bourgeois backstabbing their own class, kinda like Marx's sugar daddy Engles.

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 7 months ago

Okay, I’m glad I’m not the only one who makes the “sugar daddy” joke.

[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago
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