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A distinguished group of retired four-star generals and admirals from the U.S. military have argued in a brief filed in the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday that Donald Trump’s claims of absolute “presidential immunity” from criminal prosecution tied to Jan. 6 is an “assault” on the “foundational commitments” underpinning democracy and if his argument is allowed to succeed before them later this month, it threatens “to subvert the careful balance between the executive and legislative branches struck in the Constitution.”

The 38-page amicus brief features 19 authors, all of them decorated retired admirals, generals or secretaries from branches of the U.S. Army, Navy and Air Force respectively. On April 25, the high court is poised to hear Trump’s question of immunity against prosecution for his alleged criminal conspiracy to subvert the results of the 2020 election. and according to the brief, these are arguments that should be approached with extreme caution.

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[–] dojan@lemmy.world 165 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean Trump and his allies goal is literally to dismantle democracy so that shouldn’t come as a surprise.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Such a patriot. To celebrate the county that gave him a life that most will never even think about. By dismantling it completely.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 100 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It was later discovered that Kavanaugh turned the document into a beer bong after claiming to have “totally read that shit” and filling it with 3 Miller Lites, at a local frat party

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well...It's not like he was going to turn down a dare from Squee.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

bro you never turn down a dare from a brother. Bro

Truth. It's like the time Clarence Thomas dared him to overturn Roe v. Wade. He was like, "Bro. Bro. You just watch me."

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago

Especially a boof bro.

[–] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 79 points 7 months ago (13 children)

A group of retired Generals/Admirals are the ones who convinced Congress to repeal DADT back in 2011 so our LGBTQ+ brethren could openly serve.

I understand that the entire Government has changed since then, and it's an entirely different branch of the Government that they're petitioning, but fuck, this gives me hope.

These people do still have some sort of influence, and they're attempting to use it for good. That makes me happy.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Most notable, though, is that they face no jeopardy for speaking out. None of them could do this while serving.

[–] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is true, to an extent. They can be much more vocal (publicly) than anyone currently serving, without fear of reprisal/loss of benefits.

However, these retired O's definitely have enough money that should they want to abandon ship and move their family elsewhere, they absolutely could. They don't have to get involved anymore, so I like that they're taking the time to do so. It shows that they still gaf.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 58 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I really can't fucking believe he's going to get away with everything. Their plan of running the clock is working and I have absolutely no doubt Trump will win the election allowing his AG dog to dutifully wipe everything away. Hell, seeing how this timeline is going I could even imagine his new AG opening an investigation into Biden that gets fast tracked somehow.... We've all collectively somehow become even fucking dumber over the last 4 years that I could even be so sure Trump will win...

It just blows my mind how someone so unbelievably stupid, someone so obviously corrupt in his personality, someone so abhorrent, could skate his way through the justice system. "Teflon Don" suits him. The only "positive" here are the civil suits that hit him where he cares most, his bank account.

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (14 children)

I get what you are saying but keep in mind that he has been losing his ability to stay composed for awhile now and it seems to be gaining speed. He is sundowning as we watch. I doubt he will be mentally capable of campaigning in a few months. He literally just told the world that Biden took a shit in the oval office, just when you think he can't get more unhinged, he proves you wrong.

I'm not sure where to find it now but some clinical psychologists or psychiatrists (iirc) gave a pretty decent breakdown of how trump is breaking down mentally.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago (2 children)

He told people Biden soiled itz and they laughed and clapped.

I see no evidence this is a problem for him. His lack of cognition, morals, etc has never really been a problem before.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's exactly on brand for him and his followers.

Hillary Clinton was right when she said half his supporters were a basket of deplorables. Those that got upset about that put themselves into that group.

They love him because of the unhinged shit he says. He takes the hate that the ~~two minutes hate~~ Fox News cultivates and brings it to the White House and that's exactly what they want.

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[–] vinylshrapnel@lemmynsfw.com 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Biden took a shit on the oval office

Sounds like one of those projection accusation confessions.

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

That's likely exactly what it is.

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

All he needs to do is be able to stand up come election day, then they can just weekend at Bernies for the next 4 years.

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

This should be a joke but with the gullibility of his most devoted followers and how far computer generated images and video have come, this is a real possibility.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is 100% copium. The only thing that matters is actually convicting him and carrying out the criminal sentence. Until then, all this speculative BS is nothing but a distraction to provide cover for how badly all the leaders who aren't already outright traitors are fucking this up.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

On the other hand, let this be motivation to make him lose in November. All his legal maneuvers will be moot at that point, and he'll have some very angry judges to answer to.

If Trump loses, the delays mean nothing. He will never enjoy a free day of peace ever again.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago (2 children)

How the fuck is this even before the Supreme Court? It shouldn't have even been a question and it should've just been laughed out of Court when it was proposed. I can see SCOTUS ruling to give it to him, under the idea that Biden would be too principled to actually make use of that new power (instead of say ordering the assassination of Russian agents from a certain political party, like he should).

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The second they rule in Trump's favor I'm all for forcefully removing the SC and implementing massive ethics reform and judicial review. And no law shall stop it, because the President is above all reproach, including, apparently, a literal insurrection.

[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 26 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Biden should just announce that he will have Trump and the entire SC executed if they decide the president has absolute immunity.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So military people are telling conservatives the right thing to do?

Absolutely gonna be ignored.

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[–] profdc9@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's quite ominous that retired senior military officers need to say this. It suggests that if Trump is reelected, we could see widespread mutiny, because officers would refuse to accept orders for which they might be criminally liable. Even if SCOTUS makes Trump immune, it does not necessarily make anyone following his orders immune. Choosing between a committing a crime like murder, and another like insubordination, an officer might well choose insubordination.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago

They already did that last time. Trump tried to deploy the military to stop the BLM protests. The Joint Chiefs said no and sent out a memo reminding the entire force they swear oaths to the Constitution, not to Trump.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think that for once, this is about ethics more than law.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So...we're doomed?

If there's one thing this court cares less about than law...it's ethics.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's okay... American imperial military generals somehow have more heart than SCOTUS in this timeline.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 46 points 7 months ago

the problem with telling scotus that this is an assault on democracy is that scotus is openly complicit in the assault on democracy. you can't shame the shameless.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Next up on Fox News: "How the U.S. Military is an Assault on Freedom!"

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The military industrial complex will now proceed to go broke, presumably. Checkmate fascists.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Think we can trick conservatives into defunding the "woke" military?

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Probably, they've been running stories about how the military is too soft to fight a war because women and trans stuff. Which is just hilarious.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

If some of those generals gift an RV or fishing trip their words might have an influence on SCOTUS.

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