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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 70 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm paid to be a software developer, but my real passion is to be a bisexual communist game developer and writer. But i'm not good at the bisexual, communist, game developer, or writer thing.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Everyone is good at writing.

You might just not be popular in your lifetime.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh honey, no. Go read some middle school creative writing.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 17 points 7 months ago

Philisitine, that is creation at its most raw and untamed

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

It's always funny when liberals come from Reddit because the profit motive slowly ruined everything that once made Reddit fun and disruptive, but then absolutelty mald about Marxists and other leftists once they get here, the explicitly leftist answer to Reddit.

It's especially bad on !Lemmy.world, where the majority of users are too idealistic to stay on Reddit but not well-versed enough in leftist theory or practice to actually engage with most of Lemmy.

It's even goofier when these same liberals think they are leftists, but then still get upset at Marxists, and even Anarchists.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

and even Anarchists.

I have lost count of the number of times I have been called a tankie by libs lol

I am an anarchist, but I work with a decolonial Marxist org and I have read plenty of ML theory and know who my comrades are.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's pure idealism and vibes, theory is scary and anything beyond the liberal echo chamber is MAGA and Russian propaganda.

The good news is that the turbo liberalism drives the more well-meaning liberals leftward in search of actual theory.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They're afraid to read Lenin because they know they might agree with him.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I was called a "fascist" for saying that Lenin was a Marxist. Not even for suggesting to read Lenin! Marx is whatever they want him to be, Lenin is whatever they want him to be (nevermind Lenin's deep respect for Kropotkin), ideas shape reality.

It's all Idealism.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

nevermind Lenin's deep respect for Kropotkin

THEY LITERALLY NAMED A FUCKIN TRAIN STATION AFTER HIM

And not just any train station

Kropotkinskaya was therefore designed to be the largest and grandest station on the first line.

I think something both the Vaushites and PatSocs have in common is viewing things in a vacuum like liberals do, they try to carve up ideologies like football teams and insist that you cannot be an anarchist if you don't swallow NATO propaganda, or that you can't be a socialist if you acknowledge the unique struggles of LGBTQ people or colonized people in the US for example.

Meanwhile historically the lines are a lot fuzzier and both groups have aligned and clashed in various ways over a whole century.

We also do not need to keep rehashing hundred year old ideological beefs when we can simply examine the causes of those divides and also the points of agreement and learn from past mistakes. This should be something all contemporary communists of any tendency should agree on.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yep, it's 100% vibes based and excessively frustrating to deal with. You don't even have to support the USSR or anything, just please be historically and politically consistent!

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have critical support for the USSR because they were clearly a net good and their existence gave leverage and power to workers' movements in the US because they were terrified of us doing our own october revolution. It is glaringly obvious that the existence of the communist bloc held at bay the unrestrained voracious maw of capital because we can see what happened in the years since its (illegal) dissolution.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

Sure, I largely agree. I don't believe the USSR was perfect, but I see it as invaluable to seeing how a large-scale socialist project can actually work, and what parts didn't. Regardless of tendency, it's one of the best examples of Socialism at work, period, for good or ill.

[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok, that's a new one. Calling you a fascist for saying Lenin was a Marxist...

I can usually take these liberal takes in stride, but this is like they invented some new kind of weapon. I feel this weird itch to engage with them somehow, and that's not healthy.

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[–] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Congratulations, you’ve described me perfectly! 🥲 (except for the anarchist part, cought up with that about 6 mon ago)

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you want to get into Marxism (even if it's just to learn about what people are actually talking about), Principles of Communism by Engels and How Marxism Works by Chris Harman are fantastic pamphlets that really take no time to read through, though beware, Harman is a Trotskyist and that bleeds through a bit in his writing.

Marx mostly spoke about Capitalism and while no Marxist can avoid reading Marx, he doesn't provide a great introduction to Socialism in the Marxist sense, if that makes sense. Still, Value, Price, and Profit and Wage Labor and Capital are fantastic intros to the critique of Capitalism.

Even if you're interested in learning about Marxism-Leninism, jumping straight to Lenin before even understanding Marxism would be a mistake. Lenin builds his own critique off of Marxism, as a Marxist, so it is preferable to go through Marx first.

[–] SeducingCamel@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The amount of comments I've seen start with "I'm as left as they come" instant eye roll

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

"I'm as left as they come! I also agree with US foreign policy, and think that every country on the official US sanctions and foreign adversary list needs to be overthrown."

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

"Redfash" or "horseshoe theory" is usually another giveaway. MAGA Communism and PatSocs certainly exist, but not in any serious number, and they aren't here on the mainstream Lemmy communities.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

I’m as left as they come, and anyone to the left of me is a MAGA troll.

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[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Lemmy.world really can be maddening sometimes. It seems like any vaguely political post develops some intense strawman "tankie" action. I've pointed it out a few times and it doesn't go well.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 20 points 7 months ago (5 children)

The tankies that they keep complaining about are just your traditional Marxist-Leninists saying Marxist-Leninist things.

I think some Lemmy users like the image of being communist without actually subscribing to orthodox communist viewpoints. Just accept that you're not one, there's no shame in it.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I agree, you should see how mad the liberals got when I told them that the term leftist means someone who is against capitalism, not just people more left than elected representatives. Had a whole fight with me about the word not meaning that and that you could totally be a capitalist supporter and a leftist.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It really depends who you're talking to. That's the big problem with political buzz words. If Jordan Peterson called me a leftist it basically means that I don't think dominating others is good. If someone on lemmy.ml called me a leftist, they're probably assuming I agree with a bunch of theory I've never even heard of.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Words have meaning and we dont let people arguing in bad faith determine that meaning. Most republicans would call Biden socialist, but is he by any measure?

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I agree. Thanks to conservatism worldwide, leftist has become not a set definition but a term denoting relative ideological standing. Anything other than far-right is proclaimed as "extremist Communist socialism", which is on its face hilarious but also letting idiots dictate the manner in which we communicate.

We really have to wrench these terms back and I believe holding fast to and explaining their actual definitions is the foundation of accomplishing this.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 9 points 7 months ago

Nah. There are cases where it stops being about upholding their values and more cheering on one side over another even if what they support is against their values.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They think everyone to their left is a tankie and everyone to their right is maga and they alone posses the singular correct opinion.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago

It's even worse sometimes, they think the left is a portal that is actually secretly MAGA. It's what happens when your political opinions are purely vibes based and not founded on any material analysis or reality.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Same here. It's always Lemmy.world and their echo chamber. They are especially idealistic liberals, they can't stay on Reddit but they also can't stand leftists, everything is vibes and nothing is material.

They, right now, are comparing Marxists to Evangelical Christians and are circlejerking about it, lol.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They, right now, are comparing Marxists to Evangelical Christians and are circlejerking about it, lol.

In what way are they comparing the two? Doing a comparison of Marxists against Evangelical Christians could be valid depending on the context of the comparison. Marx had a bit to say on religion's role in the class struggle.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

Here is the post in question.

The crux of the argument is that both Marxism and Christianity see problems in the world, and both Marxists and Christians see a future event "fixing" these problems, and finally that people who don't agree with these takes are uneducated, equating immaterial religious fervor with historical materialism and class struggle.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You can have a proper gander at deez nutz bruv.

[–] Reznik@lemmy.zip 11 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Post communism? whats that? As far as I understand it communism should be at the end of cultural and social development. What should be after that?

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'd argue that it is not possible to have an end. Culture and society, like species, continue to evolve and is never a static thing (believing otherwise is one of the big contradictions of neolibs and other staunch pro-capital ideologies). So, "post-communism" could be a set of philosophies that may not be concievable until such point that humanity has evolved culturally and socially enough. Possibly influenced by technological or external factors.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

Actual sound answer and not a shitpost. Good comment.

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

The nature of the dialectic is for it to continually and fluidly evolve, every now and then contradictions mount to a point of qualitative change and give rise to a new system that resolves the contradictions of the last, but gains new ones. It never ends. Marx only said, capitalism will bring about socialism, which will in turn bring about communism. Everything after that is too far away to really make any concrete statement that isn't grossly biased by the conditions of our time.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

Fully autumated luxury space gay communism, comrade

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago
[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago

Star Trek is what comes after communism

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

i like asking other people to tell me what i do, because i do whatever the fuck i please. And am beholden to no labels.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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