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[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 284 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Honestly I can't understand why the "hush money" is all the rage. THIS is the crime that would put ANY other American into a supermax. This isn't justice.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 110 points 5 months ago (43 children)

The "hush money" framing is such a cutesy, bullshit spin to neuter the actual repeated and unapologetic fraud here. Basic human and business ethics concerns to side for a moment, It's purely fraud against the American people without remorse and it's actual election interference.

You wouldn't say that a serial killer that stabs and kills their victims is on trial for "night night pokes". How was this allowed to get casually accepted like this without challenge from society?

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

"My neighbor in Tel Aviv is in jail for murder, or, as we call it, enhanced tickling."

-Colonel Erran Morrad (Sacha baron cohen)

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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 100 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The business records fraud case ("hush money" is misleading what it was) is just the first case that nothing blocked it from proceeding.

Documents case is blocked by Canon, J6 is blocked by SCOTUS, I guess the Georgia case could proceed too, but was maybe more complicated than this one.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago

Georgia is blocked due to complaints of impropriety between the DA and her special council.

The claim is that the DA selected the special prosecutor because of their personal relationship and het ability to use this relationship to influence the special council.

And that they used money paid to special council for personal stuff. It is bullshit, but afaik they where ordered to pick one. If the DA stays the special council needs to be replaced or vice versa.

The DA was just reelected.. and swapping special council means the new one needs to get up to apeed. Causing more delays. In my opinion, Georgia is also not happening before November regrettably (short of a hilarious twist of faith).

[–] Starbuck@lemmy.world 79 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Because the hush money case is the only case that is likely to happen before the election.

The J6 case in DC got screwed by the Supreme Court refusing to take the appeal before waiting for the DC appeals court to rule. It was obvious that the Supreme Court was going to step in and rule, so Jack Smith requested them to just take the case and they declined saying they wanted to let the DC court decide first. Then they took the appeal a month or so later anyways. Now they have held hearings, but even if they rule against Trump, all they have to do is delay until late July and they know that the justice department won’t be able to resume the trial in time.

In the documents case, which is the most fundamentally simple case, Eileen Cannon has ratfucked the whole process to the point that it’s unlikely to start before July. It should be an open and shut case, but she’s entertaining all sorts of crazy legal theories and giving them months to elaborate on them.

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's been 4 fucking years since Trump has left office. A regular person would never get his trial delayed for that long. If a trial can be delayed for 4 fucking years just because the accused is a powerful individual, it means that the rule of law doesn't apply the same to everyone. If powerful people are exempt from the rule of law, democracy is dead.

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[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

They need to delay until at least November, which is when they know what the Constitutional Originalism says about the case.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 59 points 5 months ago

But as you just read, this judge has been predictably sabotaging this case.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago

“hush money”

It was about the falsification of documents. Hush money is legal.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (39 children)

The hush money one is the first one to actually go to trial, so it's mostly that. The documents case is basically suppressed until they can somehow get rid of this judge, and the other 2 cases are also being held up in places.

The hush money case isn't likely to put him in prison though, I don't think there's any precedent of a politician going to prison for that. And of course there's going to be appeals that can easily push it until past November.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There's plenty of precedent for locking people up when the steal classified documents. It doesn't matter if they're a politician.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

By 'this one', I meant the hush money case. I agree that the documents case is the most serious one (and also deliciously ironic given his 2016 criticism of Hillary's classified emails).

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[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (5 children)

It's my understanding that there's a pretty ironclad contract between the government and a cleared individual. This is really just a matter of enforcement, and it's hard to see how this isn't one of the most brazen and extensive cases of mishandling classified material. Better people have gone to prison for a lot less, so I say again: no justice.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

it's not hush money. there's literally nothing illegal about paying to kill a story. this case was about election interference, and the media's inability to report that is such a key tell.

trump didn't pay to hush people up, he paid so they wouldn't wreck his campaign. that's where the crimes come from. that and tax evasion.

Now, all that said: I spent nearly a decade in the army. The way he handled sensitive and secret info during his term, and then taking it home after - this shit cannot stand. How can we expect an 18 year old to take their responsibilities seriously while letting this shit slide?

it's fucking bonkers. if anyone else tried this they'd be waiting for their trial in federal prison, they'd never see the light of day etc.

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[–] TheHound@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

I'm starting to think it's strategic on jack smiths part. He's got to let her dig a hole so deep and make her bias so blatantly clear that the 11th circuit can't do anything but boot her off the case.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 5 months ago

Shit they wouldn't put you in supermax, there wouldn't be a trial. You just disappear. Shit, Snowden went to Russia. All he wants in a public trial.

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (8 children)

You have to try to commit treason.

It's one of the few crimes explicitly defined in the Constitution.

Unfortunately, I doubt that we'll ever see him charged.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 95 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Is there literally only one picture of this dead inside person?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 17 points 5 months ago

There'd be more, but unfortunately she keeps devouring the souls of the camerapeople that try.

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[–] snooggums@midwest.social 89 points 5 months ago (18 children)

Those complaints filed since May 16 “appear to be part of an orchestrated campaign,” according to Pryor, whose appellate court reviews cases arising from federal district courts in Florida, Georgia and Alabama.

Well, yeah. Any kind of change requires a coordinated effort to get enough attention for something to happen.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

How much more attention could this dumbass get?

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[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 61 points 5 months ago

Not holding my breath, but crossing my fingers anyway....

[–] RedWeasel@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Not sure where I saw it on youtube, but there was a video telling how to report federal judges for bias was posted. Within the last week or 2.

Edit: Here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MXVfiTa3KM

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[–] suction@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Serious question, if judges show an absolute will to be biased and politically motivated like she does, how is she still in the position? Shouldn't her higher-ups replace her with an impartial judge? And if that's impossible, how is the US a country of law?

[–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

Congress would impeach her and the Senate would remove her. Therein lies the joke.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Her continued presence on the bench, not just on this one case, is fatally undermining the already tenuous legitimacy of the federal judiciary.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Hey, stupid is very hard to hide the higher up the foodchain

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