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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 248 points 4 months ago (35 children)

If u make privacy illegal then only criminals will have privacy.

[–] horseloaf@lemmy.world 107 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If u make privacy illegal then only cops, spooks, governments, billionaires and other criminals will have privacy. FTFY.

[–] shiftymccool@programming.dev 84 points 4 months ago

Yep, you just said the same thing with more words 😁

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

If u make privacy illegal then only ~~cops~~ criminals, ~~spooks~~ criminals, ~~governments~~ criminals, ~~billionaires~~ criminals and other criminals will have privacy. FTFY.

FTFY.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 152 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And on Tuesday, 37 Members of Parliament signed an open letter to the Council of Europe urging legislators to reject Chat Control.

"We explicitly warn that the obligation to systematically scan encrypted communication, whether called 'upload-moderation' or 'client-side scanning,' would not only break secure end-to-end encryption, but will to a high probability also not withstand the case law of the European Court of Justice," the MEPs said. "Rather, such an attack would be in complete contrast to the European commitment to secure communication and digital privacy, as well as human rights in the digital space."

I hope to fuck this shit won't get passed

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

As your own quote says, we can at least hope that if it passes, it will be found illegal by the courts and get rescinded.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 128 points 4 months ago (17 children)

Regardless of the supposed motivations, this is mass surveillance on a scale never seen before. The EU wants to become China 2.0.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

It's really disappointing

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[–] catalog3115@lemmy.world 83 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

It's highly likely that these laws will be passed because more people are voting for right wing leaders in EU, Right wing heavily supports this. If EU sets the example soon the whole world will follow.

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Not just in the EU...

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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 72 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If it's client side then pedos will just strip it out and keep on going. It's a giant waste of time.

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 96 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's nothing to do with stopping pedos. The people pushing this year-in and year-out don't care THAT much about pedos. It's not a cause that's motivating enough for them to be putting in so much effort, trying to sneak in legislation after being repeatedly rebuffed.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 54 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The real people pushing this are lobbyists working for the companies that sell the monitoring software.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

And for anyone wondering btw, this is actually a proven fact and not just a guess.

This article in german talks about the connections that the people pushing this have to the relevant tech industry companies.

[–] Retiring@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow I didn’t know. Fuck Ashton Kutcher!

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 4 months ago

Its insane to me how it was entirely proven that this whole political movement is a giant fear mongering psyop and despite that its still being discussed at all.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago

It's rather "tell me who's your friend and I'll tell you who you are", most of specific people involved in pushing this have a history with authoritarian regimes, some genocidal.

Many things may change overnight.

It’s not a cause that’s motivating enough for them to be putting in so much effort, trying to sneak in legislation after being repeatedly rebuffed.

Until those trying are in jail explaining their motivations in detail, this won't stop.

[–] Crismus@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's really all about having a way to get past encryption so they can spy on everyone indiscriminately. It's pushed that it's to save kids and unmask pedos, but the people in charge know the pedophiles are their rich donors.

It's about controlling opposition and making sure the wealthy can stay on top. Imagine if no small business can hide their information from their competitors.

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[–] gjoel@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Or, you know, trivially circumvent it? Compress media, break up URLs? I don't understand how this could possibly be effective.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It can't be effective. The risk of false-positives is huge.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Any circumvention argument misses the point.

90% of people won't. The remaining 10% will be flagged and can be scrutinized more manually (without any violence which will get into news). It's the way any surveillance works. Which is why non-backdoored e2e encryption for everyone in everything everywhere and death of centralized services are important to fight surveillance.

It's like flowers covering body parts on photos, we kinda guess what's there. If the whole photo is covered with flowers, that's another story.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wait till they make TOR illegal and force people to mask TOR traffic to look like HTTPS. Then produce a stream of rubbish alongside said HTTPS traffic so as to fool authorities. Lol at them thinking non-profit tech gurus are going to give them cake

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago (10 children)

You are answering a comment explaining why this is bullshit. "Gurus" are sufficiently rare to have other kinds of surveillance.

For some reason in every bad event there are plenty of people thinking evil is stupid.

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[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 71 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What a bullshit law. If things have flaws, they don't just have flaws for the benefit of police or government agencies. They have flaws for anyone that knows them or discovers them. This stuff will still be accessible for smart criminals, even more so in corrupt governments.

An encryption with exploits is not an encryption, it's a time bomb and it will blow up in your face at the worst moment.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They want that. It's no coincidence that people pushing this are all unelected.

It is a criminal takeover of the EU in its final stages (Europeans like to think they are very smart and have lots of strategic depth, but I'll repeat that these are the final stages of it).

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

And we have plenty of evidence of corrupt police colluding with crime rings for profit. I don't see why it would be different here...

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

M-M-M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL-Kill-kill

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago
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