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The rights obsession with people's genitals reaches a new low

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[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 99 points 3 months ago (2 children)

chuds are accidentally showing that gender is a social construct by saying a AFAB person qualifies as a man because of vibes and aesthetics

he-admit-it

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 49 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's either genitals, chromosomes, or hormone levels depending on whom they're trying to harass and exclude.

geordi-no A woman is anyone who believes she is a woman

geordi-yes A woman is anyone who JK Rowling believes is a woman

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[–] Angel@hexbear.net 78 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Treating a cis woman like absolute shit because she has certain non-feminine features? So, it was just sexism this whole time???

[–] egg1918@hexbear.net 73 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And racism. Don't forget the racism agony-deep

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm reminded of a Danish news program during the last world cup where (because they were upset with how successful Algeria had been) they literally compared them with monkeys, and Germany likened them to ISIS.

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[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago

According to chuds Algeria is both woke and backwards because of this.

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[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 64 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The vibe I get from most of TERF islands anti-trans paranoia is that it is yes, anti-trans bigotry, but much of it is also inseparable from and a proxy for racist bigotry.

The White Gender Watchers wouldn't being having a fit if Imane was a white woman.

[–] hypercracker@hexbear.net 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

lmfao this whole thing has me reading Caster Semenya's wikipedia article and:

On 16 July, she set a new national record for 800 metres of 1:55:33.[84][85] On 20 August, she won the gold medal in the women's 800 metres at the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio with a time of 1:55.28.[86] The win reignited controversy over the rules on permissible testosterone levels; immediately after the race Lynsey Sharp, finishing sixth, broke into tears, having previously said that "everyone can see it's two separate races",[87] while fifth-placed Joanna Jóźwik stated "I feel like the silver medalist ... I'm glad I'm the first European, the second white", to finish the race.[88][89] Bioethicist Katrina Karkazis criticised the indignant response to Semenya's win as discriminatory.[89]

hitler-detector

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

lol those two athletes sound like dumb asses. Don't they know that swimming is the sport to go for when you want financial resources to gate out the POCs from a particular sport making the competition easier

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

fifth-placed Joanna Jóźwik stated "I feel like the silver medalist ... I'm glad I'm the first European, the second white"

jesus-christ

[–] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

Trans Exclusionary Racist Fragility island

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 54 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

it's really wild to me watching people acknowledge that her genitalia are what they expect of a woman but then insist that the presence of some xy chromosomes make you a "biological male"

edit: not that Khelif has xy chromosomes, i don't fucking know this athlete's private medical details and neither do any of these obsessive, transphobic freaks

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But she doesn't even have that, there is no chromosome test that has been done.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago (4 children)

there's been a lot of talk about xy chromosomes and i was trying to comment on that; but, you're right, and i don't know why that's something being claimed everywhere.

[–] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

the source is “the IBA president’s ass”, the actual facts presented at the IBA:
https://www.iba.sport/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/BoD-meeting-minutes_New-Delhi_FV-approved.pdf
states that two athletes failed unidentified tests in 2022 after winning and the board let it go, then in 2023 after the two athletes were winning, new 7-day tests were performed during the tourney and also failed, but the timing allowed them to be DQed and their opponents reinstated.

The IBA president claimed on July 31st 2024, that the tests “proved” the Chinese and Algerian athletes had XY chromosomes. The actual press release same day doesn’t specify genetic testing.

It does not track that DNA tests were performed in 2022 showing XY and the athletes were not kicked out of IBA, but allowed to compete the follow year and be retested for chromosomes in 2023 just in case because for some reason the DNA could have changed.

Whatever the mystery test were performed were clearly not DNA tests or something would have been said and done earlier.

A complete lie by the IBA president, invented mere days ago, not corroborated by even a single other person or document.

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[–] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I recommend checking out Alice Domurat Dreger's Hermaphrodites and the Medical Invention of Sex, which is one of the earliest works in the anglo world exploring intersex from a social perspective, and digs historically into the process through which western medical fields developed an entirely arbitrary distinction to biologically "sex" men and women, and how that was propelled into dominant social ideology.

Despite her more recent anti-trans talking points, back in the day Dreger's work was a really big part of the developing intersex community (by community here I mean community as in, people beginning to "come out" as intersex or meet other intersex people and share their experiences and form an identity as intersex as opposed to the previously near-universal intersex experience of living in secret shame, believing you had an embarrassing and unique medical condition, or being left entirely in the dark as doctors performed surgeries on you and either never told your parents or your parents chose to bury it and lie to you).

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[–] hypercracker@hexbear.net 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

The heartbreaking aspect of this is that athletes like Chand or Semenya come from remote parts of their countries and they have immense difficulty understanding what a gender test is, who a trans person is, or what is testosterone in the first place.

...do they though? Is there a quote from them saying this or is the author just making shit up in a really patronizing way?

[–] JayTreeman@hexbear.net 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It sounds like a significant part of the population everywhere has trouble with that

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A lot of remote countries were invaded by Christian missionaries who promoted a very strict view of gender

[–] huf@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

yeah, like the UK and the US

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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

People can just read about things with an open mind. Definitely patronizing.

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

do they though?

Caster Semenya is from a large town in South Africa, Polokwane, the capital of its province. Population 130k

Definitely not "remote" by any stretch of the definition. Straight up racism by the author

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They don't cause a broad chunk whoever buys what's written will take it for granted. Oh a person from third world, probably doesn't know how to read. It confirms what they believe so they publish it and some people will read it as "Yeah that makes sense"

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[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 51 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I feel so bad for her. These fucking ghouls won't be happy until she kills herself. Anyone know when her next match is? I finally care enough to support someone in an Olympic competition

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago

I hope she takes home the gold

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

~~Today, ongoing as of an hour of this comment. She's up against a Hungarian boxer~~

I misread, tomorrow Aug 3 at 17:22 Paris time

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago (13 children)

her opponent also posted this shit on her socials

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 39 points 3 months ago

Here's hoping Imane fucking destroys her. I don't know if Olympic boxing has ever gone to knockout but inshallah

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago

This is beyond hitler particles, this is hitler slabs

[–] spacecadet@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago

Ugh, I hope she gets knocked the fuck out

[–] Yor@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago

something like this should be immediately disqualifying, but nooo can't do that

[–] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

she knows she's about to get trashed

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Can't she get fucking disqualified for this? This is straight up transphobia, racism, and misogyny.

The Olympics are so fucking ass

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

Nah they say racist shit about non-white athletes all the time and never even get a slap on the wrist. But yes the IOC is a joke.

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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 44 points 3 months ago

As a trans woman I'd like to say: welcome to womanhood, cissexuals! niko-dunk

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 42 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Never seen this kind of widespread “support”from men anytime a women actually got abused by a man

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[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 39 points 3 months ago (4 children)

It's interesting to imagine flipping this scenario around. Let's suppose I'm AMAB with XX chromosomes (not super uncommon) and male genitalia. I present as "traditionally male" in every way. Would they be OK with me competing in women's sports? I'm thinking not, because none of this is at all in good faith. It's just about excluding people who don't meet their totally arbitrary standards for what women are "supposed" to look and act like.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

works with trans athletes too. the transphobes don't want trans women competing with women, but I bet you they also don't want trans men competing with cis women. Do they want both trans men and trans women to compete against cis men? Do they want trans athletes banned entirely and unable to compete?

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

Do they want trans athletes banned entirely and unable to compete?

That's the one.

[–] AmericaDeserved711@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

they want trans people to stop existing

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[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago

The obvious end game to this right wing talking point is even more rigorous gender testing for women. Dudes who argue this point don't give a feck about women.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wait what the fuck they are all about with that transphobia, she's not even trans.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Jes, Poland, but apparently having the 'right' genitals is not enough; let's put it in vice versa, if you are a man, for example, and show as much testosterone and chromosome as a woman like her, the transphobes will consider you 'woman'...

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

I know a ton of trans women with vaginas, i know a trans woman with XX chromosomes, every trans woman on HRT i know is at the bottom end of or in most cases below what is considered normal cis female testosterone levels, and none of that is enough for them to be considered a woman by a chud with terminal transphobic brain rot. OTOH putting vegetables on the BBQ suddenly makes you lose your man card, but only as long as you're a cis guy.

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[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

With how quickly this all sprung about and how the boxer and Italian media (and politicians) jumped on it, this whole thing feels a bit planned and astroturfed.

[–] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago

Doesn't the uk have really strict libel laws and jk Rowling is doing a libel for calling this woman a man

[–] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 21 points 3 months ago

God forbid a woman not look European enough to Robert Galbraith Rowling and her TERF brigade.

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There is only one trans boxer in the Olympics this year, and its a trans man. Straight men aren't scared of accidentally fucking a trans man, so nobody cares or brings it up.

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