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Just witnessed this meeting of the minds on FB (poptalk.scrubbles.tech)

submitted 1 year ago by scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech to c/memes@lemmy.ml

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People arguing about the price of gas, but as soon as someone mentions driving an EV they're "stupid" and woke

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[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's Facebook for you. People love to complain about things that take them out of what they have gotten used to but the moment someone offers a possible solution they dig their heels in the sand.

They're essentially just shouting out and seeing how many people will absentmindedly agree and reaffirm their view point

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 27 points 1 year ago

They don't want a solution, they want to be mad.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 12 points 1 year ago

Oh it's a standard social media echo chamber, and I'm well aware that we're in one here too. But at least here we aren't saying that the gas prices are a conspiracy done by the dEMoCrAtS!! Of course to them the only solution is to... have big government regulate gas prices, god forbid they think about alternatives

[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 6 points 1 year ago

I agree Facebook just specifically annoys me because it's a lot of dumb posts put out without forethought.

[-] dansity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

Facebook is the worst social media site of all where boomers and racist people shouting at each other. The best one can do is to delete themselves.

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[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 year ago

Not defending them, but if I can't afford a tank of gas I likely can't afford a whole new car. Hell I can afford a tank of gas and I still can't afford a new car.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago

For a while, with state and federal rebates, new EVs were ridiculously cheap but a lot of people didn't realize it. My brother leased a Nissan Leaf for my niece for $100 a month. I realize leasing isn't for everyone, but $100 a month for a car for a teenager is pretty damn reasonable until she can afford to buy something for herself.

[-] ElectricCattleman@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

They're insanely cheap RIGHT NOW. lol

You can get a used 2018-2020 Tesla (or any other brand) for $25k and then $4k back through a tax credit.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

That's not cheap to me, that's a normal price for a new car. My current car cost thousands less than that and is still great.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure, but normal new car prices are ridiculous right now.

Apparently the average is 48K! https://www.moneygeek.com/insurance/auto/average-price-of-a-new-car/

Yikes, a new subcompact is 23K on average.

[-] moogs@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

But then you'd have to buy a Tesla.

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[-] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Tesla is the worst electric car because it supports Elon Musk

[-] RavindraNemandi@ttrpg.network 6 points 1 year ago

A used tesla doesnt

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[-] shitescalates@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago

Most teslas i see are still 30-40k and there really aren't any other brands besides compliance cars at that age.

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[-] mononomi@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah not a lot of second hand ev's out there to buy.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Lots of them on Autotrader when I looked a week ago.

The problem is, they still want $40k for a used EV.

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[-] oldGregg@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago

'The worlds changing and change scares me!'

[-] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 32 points 1 year ago

"BUT WHERE DO THEY THINK THAT POWER EVEN COMES FROM!!????"

Well, if someone would spend two seconds thinking about it, renewable are a good investment. It's not like we want to stop burning coal today, but this argument gets me everytime.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 31 points 1 year ago

Plus, burning fossil fuels in a dedicated generator in optimal conditions, then converting that to electricity, transferring that electricity over the grid to an electric car generates less emissions than burning it straight in an ICE engine to convert it into kinetic energy. Even if you ignore all the fossil fuels that are burned during extraction, transport and conversion before it gets to your local petrol station.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Even if you're not using renewables to charge your EV, they're still significantly more fuel efficient due to the gains you get from producing energy in a power plant instead of through a small engine. I read somewhere that an EV with a 300 mile range is using the same amount of fuel to charge as if you were burning 3 gallons of gasoline.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah... The power for my EV comes from my solar panels. Both a great investment. Now that the electricity company is raising rates on electricity usage, I'm even happier with my decision.

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[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Republican moral compass makes an excellent ceiling fan

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

But gas prices are so high due to Biden lowering the supply by checks notes conditioning any expansion of renewable energy on first increasing the amount of federal land leased out for extraction of oil and gas many times over.

Huh. Guess BOTH parties are lying about him. Who'da thunk that the senator from MBNA (second biggest credit card company before being bought by Bank of America) would be on the side of big business? 🤔

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

gas prices are so high because biden ate all of it

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[-] 7heo@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 16 points 1 year ago

Basically they've been told to hate it. The oil industry has spent millions pushing all kinds of misinformation to make sure we wouldn't move off oil, even if there are a million reasons beyond just global warming why it would be a great idea. We've known since the 70s that this would be an issue, and governments around the world have just all been ignoring the issue for half a century.

[-] ebc@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, at first it was the "glorified golf cart" angle, but when Tesla proved that wasn't true, it turned into "they're too expensive", "ackthually they pollute more", "rare earths", etc... There will always be something.

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[-] m3t00@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

long press, select all, copy/pasta

[-] Asymptote@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

Got my 🅱️ig 🅱️rained takes here:

In many use cases, EVs are worse for the environment
Even in these cases, it might be better for the society in that pollution is no longer concentrated in towns and around roads but at power plants where mitigations can be centrally handled by solutions that can be made to scale
In many cases, EVs are far inferior. In many cases, ICEs are far inferior.
I wish I could afford an EV plox send monies

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[-] thanevim@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

What's awesome about this is when you drive a hybrid. All your power comes from gas or regenerative braking, but it's so efficient that it's still painful to the average Republican

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 8 points 1 year ago

There's no 'or', really. That kinetic energy you're capturing with regen braking, you got that by burning gas. All your energy comes from burning gas.

Unless it has a plug, it's a gas car.

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[-] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Is Elon Musk good or bad in their eyes then?