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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by Abrahmination@lemmygrad.ml to c/lgbt@lemmygrad.ml

I was talking about how capitalism and the ruling classes used reactionary tendencies to their benefit, and in comes this:

"I know you're doing a tiny little marxist analysis here, but even without attacking your materialist framework, I don't believe that capitalism is inherently patriarchal, racist etc.

Don't get me wrong, capitalism is inherently hierarchic and can utilize other hierarchies underneath it. However, all these other systems of oppression — racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia... — are entirely accidental to capitalism.

Racism, sexism and homophobia are quite literally mere consequences of the history before capitalism: colonialism demanded racism in order to self-justify, homophobia came from the religious institutions during the feudal period, and sexism emerged way long ago when humans first settled down into sedentary agricultural societies.

None of these are essential or necessary to capitalism: capitalism is in no way defined by their presence, nor are they implied by the essential traits of capitalism. In fact, I dare say that there are sectors within the bourgeoisie that genuinely oppose them and believe that it's simply better for work organization (which, duh, is necessary for exploitation) for all genders, races, sexualities etc to be treated the same so that they can all be maximally productive and maximally exploited. Even if you speak of these prejudices as "a tool to divide and conquer", they are but one tool in the capitalist's box: one which can be replaced if something better is found."

Apparently, historical context and dialectal relationships don't exist to this person. I'm curious as to the response and also why this brain breakage occurs. I hate how to these people oppression and everything else that happens are just isolated, separate, and incidental events, missing the forest for the trees. Kill me.

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[-] Finiteacorn@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah libs can be pretty annoying when they talk in terms of idealized versions of reality. Same with the crony capitalism bs.

[-] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Was raised by true-believer liberals. Conditioning me to join them in their denial of context and treat every factor as a perfect sphere in a vacuum was an indispensable part of training me to accept their abuse, and to learn to thank my future exploiters too. Capital's system of witness intimidation trickles down into every relationship it can.

[-] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/ these people know its nonsense deep down, but cling to it in order to sustain their way of life. They believe that capitalism can do no wrong, and thus try to disconnect it from every atrocity and issue and turn around and blame it on 'the poors being poor' or 'bad apples'.

[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Essentialist thinking and its concequences have been a disaster...

Sexism existed before capitalism. Homophonic existed before capitalism. Racism and colonialism ... did not really, but let's say they did.

None of that changes the fact that capitalism as it emerged combined with all of these modes of oppression and transformed them along with it.

It's like saying that cells and mitochondria are separate things because mitochondria used to be a standalone organism.

All let me be clear, capitalism, especially early capitalism simply would never have been able to sustain itself for this long without the superprofits enables by its sub modes of oppression.

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